literally a direct translation from out
of Farabi so you know the Christians
were using Muslim proofs now that strain
don't think that this idea of proving
the existence of God has anything to do
with doubt about God doubt about God is
a modern concept there are very few
ancients who had any doubts about God
and the people trying to prove the
existence of God were largely deeply
religious people they were deeply devout
people so why do you think they would
try to prove the existence of God
because they felt that faith should be
based in reason they felt that in order
for faith to be on firm foundation it
should have the foundation of reason and
that's why they attempted to the best of
their ability to create a rational
foundation for belief and this again
gets to reason and tradition this
problem so they were trying to
synthesize the essential problem of
oppan and knuckle how do we get nothing
to correspond with a phone or vice versa
and they made many many attempts at a
certain point because of massive
confusion that was beginning to reign in
the Islamic lands a group of people show
up one was in Egypt with Jaffa how he
and he dies in 321
which is 933 of the Christian era the
the second is from Basra and teaches in
buck Dada two cities that are in the
news a lot and in those days the wars
were with sandals in the mosques
throwing shoes at each other when they
disagreed
oh but hasn't a shoddy now they're using
them to hit
statues and things like that so
traditions hard to get rid of
oh but Hassan and uh shadi who dies in
324 and that's 935 and then Abu Mansour
and Matuidi who is from he's born in
Madrid and dies in summer pans in what's
called traditional Horus on the land
where the Sun rises hora Sun Sun Sun
hora so it's horizontal and where the
Sun comes up which is the East or Asia
we would call it now Central Asia and he
comes from that place now what's
interesting about Central Asia is he
came from a place that was a center of
Buddhist learning and I find this deeply
significant I actually wrote a paper
called how the Buddha saved Islam it's a
paper in which I tried and I've never
seen this anywhere but I really tried to
show that the paradoxical formulas that
are introduced by the Met to Dedes and
the Ashanti's were actually coming out
of Buddhist logic and the Buddhists had
a massive impact a lot of people don't
know this but they actually had a
massive impact the tolerance of the
Abbasid period I believe is largely due
to the influence of Buddhism because the
bar metkids who were the great ministers
of the abbasids were from Afghanistan
and that family was a famous Buddhist
priest family they're very tolerant
deeply tolerant people and they
introduced a lot of this extraordinary
tolerance during the Abbasid period into
the Islamic tradition and removed a lot
of the very harsh interpretations and
they textually justified it which is
what's so beautiful and that's why the
danger of religion is that it is open to
multiple textual interpretations and
it's which one are you going to choose
and in a sense that is revealing
something about your essential nature
what are you attracted to because you
can find harshness you can find cruelty
in all the religion and then you can
find all these other qualities and I
feel that the other qualities are the
dominant qualities it's almost like
those harsh and cruel aspects it's like
a shadow a union
shadow religion that exists alongside
the true religion to almost separate
people and to to reveal themselves
because hypocrisy is the worst type of
personality the one who's hiding his
true nature so these three men all our
existing I mean look at that 333 321 324
and 333 and this is their death dates so
these three men are all living at the
same time and they formulate these
Creed's that basically save Islam now
Imam of the Howey is more of a knuckle
he's not interested in Apple and he has
very few if any he has a few but he has
very few what is miss term speculative
theological formulas it's miss term that
I would say more rational the Albert
hasanat a shoddy is in a sense a bridge
between alkali knuckle but imam abu
jaafar
and Matuidi takes it to a much deeper
level the three in terms of this
fundamental problem and what's
interesting is the great creedal formula
of the muslims becomes the formula of
imam and Nyssa fee who was a Matuidi
with the commentary of taftazani who was
an ashati
and this is what was taught in our
mattresses for centuries I mean these
are the two great texts one is a
commentary by an a shoddy but the other
is a Creed by a Matuidi and these three
men represent what comes to be known as
Anna sooner well GEMA
they basically create Creed's they
produce Creed's and credo in Latin means
I believe so a Creed is what you believe
you say credo I believe and that's why
in the beginnings of these Creed's they
always say a Coulomb or a Tuppy then I
say believing so the Arpita is what
you're bound to it's what you have
conviction about you know it's a pet too
you know it's what you're not at its
what you've bound to it it's what you
believe and have conviction about and
this becomes the IP that this is the
word that's used in ours for the Creed
so they call it the al-qaeda and that's
via the arcade Howie the Arpita
like that and then each one of these
I mean of imam abu jaafar of howie and
imam and Matuidi are the two hanafis and
imam and ashati there's a debate the
matter Keys claim him as a matter key
and the Shaffers claim him as a chef
very so there and I think probably the
stronger argument is that he was a Shafi
but his greatest student by one there is
a meaty area between the the two his
greatest student is a bucket of belani
who was a Maliki scholar who develops
what's known as the atomic theory in
Islam and it's probably the most
sophisticated pre-modern theory and
there's a book called the history of the
atom and there is a chapter on the
Muslim atomic theory and they do admit
that the scientist that wrote that book
said that this is clearly the most
sophisticated pre modern atomic theory
that we have and he also says that he
doesn't really understand how they got
it the Muslims and so they they were
thinking very deeply about that now I
believe also there's a connection
between the Buddhist atomic theory and
abu-bakr Balinese theory because there's
a lot of similarities and that is
obviously deep speculation and there's
Muslims that did not like that at all
and that tended to be within the hum
body tradition you have a third a fourth
strain from these three men you have a
fourth strain which is the ham body
strain the ham bodies tended to be
although Albert Hasan had a shoddy wood
would use imam ahmed as his foundation
in a sense because imam ahmed was was
considered the imam of ala Sunnah wal
Jamaa it's his lock up because he had
such an important role to play in
protecting Islam from the merit is he
lights he was honored with that and so
in that sense now Imam of the four Imams
the three imams maja neva mattock and
Schaffer II have room for more room for
Apple and the most is of
honey feral Delano he is the most
rational he is a legal philosopher in a
way I mean Imam Shafi is also but Abu
Hanifa will use a Khan more than any of
the other Imams I'm at the Muhammad is
the least inclined to do that he will
prefer a weak hadith over analogical
reasoning and that is in hizmet which
gives total lie to this idiotic idea
that weak hadees have no place in Islam
I mean if I'm a demon ham but use his
weak had these before he uses PS in his
o soul I mean I think that exposes the
ignorance of people who claim that weak
Hadees are worthless
on the contrary they've been used for
centuries by our greatest scholars so of
those three of the four strains the ham
body strain will be the least inclined
to any type of rational approach to
creed and it will get to the point where
the anthropomorphise who are a problem
in all religions not just the Muslims
this phenomenon is a phenomenon within
religion are people that take things
literally
in other words believe in the literal
meaning of everything that is said and
that is absolutely impossible to do with
any text of Revelation because the
nature of language is that there is
always analogy and metaphor always you
cannot get out of it it's impossible it
is simply impossible and it leads to
very difficult even the literalists who
deal with the pot on they get into big
problems in interpreting certain verses
in the Quran and create very clever
rhetorical devices to deal with those
problematic verses for them like ask the
town for set up area you know ask the
town how do you ask a town I mean what's
a town what do you mean ask the town do
you mean ask the people of the town
you mean astley I mean if it's literally
the town town can I ask you a question
Chicago I'd like to ask you well I can
say that you know I want to hear what
Chicago has to think about all this now
obviously I mean you people here from
Chicago
well that's metaphor
and that's in language it's just the way
it is the White House announced today I
mean nobody saw these bricks that are
painted white saying something right
these far as I know announced things so
the discipline knuckle is is what
when Mansoura Matuidi is trying to bring
together this understand now the third
formulation is amongst the people who
deal with it son or the spiritual
science of Islam so the providential
care that we see in this community is
during the period we see at how death
and Mojave whose 243 Imam and Junaid who
is probably the great formulator of the
tradition in 297 and then a Shibley his
student 334 elbow thought of and Mickey
386 and then I would add Arabiya an idea
to that because she introduced the idea
she really is credited with the
introduction of the idea of love of God
being higher than the fear of God and
it's a very important introduction into
the Islamic tradition the Bekaa own who
were these men that literally became so
enveloped with fear of God that they
stopped eating that cry all the time
they were basically dysfunctional from
this immense fear and she introduces
this idea that love is such a higher
concept when dealing with the divine and
that becomes very strong within that
tradition now that Islam the four Imams
Iman these four traditions and then it
son
these four be moms and adding arabiya
as the fifth in that science they
basically formulate iman Islam and asan
it becomes a religion in the sense that
we can study it in an organized
schematized way that was not true in the
first community
it just wasn't because much of it was
experiential
you could ask the Sahaba they knew all
these things they had an immense
knowledge of all three subjects but they
did not have Babbitt will do or babbit
the heart or you know Bab Anika and
dividing niihka into different types and
having different types saw and facet or
the five formulation so here you have
the Philosopher's that are pure
rationalist you have the traditionalist
which were the mahadji foon who are pure
traditionalists they're not interested
in in alpha they're interested in
nothing and that's why the AHA say
the Mahadev is a pharmacist he's not a
doctor so never get a prescription from
a pharmacist all the pharmacists knows
is nothing see what the doctor has is
open he knows how to apply he knows how
to put things together he knows how to
we hope but that's what the physician he
learns how to discern between signs and
symptoms what if you have jaundice what
that means and and then what is the
prognosis where it's going all these
things so that's the and rarely do
you get the two together now the same is
true about Allah Subhan Allah to add as
these credo formulations you have the
Creed which is none but then you have to
have an understanding of it this is aqua
and so bringing these two together this
is what fucka daddy not Raji says is the
meaning of neuron Aden or that light
upon light is revelation on intellect
and the rock a Buddhist behind said
never be impressed with a person's Islam
until you've tested their intellect
because the most dangerous thing that
you can have is intellect without
religion or religion without intellect
it's a disaster both our disasters
intellect without religion leads to
concentration camps gas chambers you
know we've got a problem it's called the
Jewish problem and what's the most
efficient way to deal with this problem
I mean this really this is pure reason I
mean there's people that could argue
against that but ultimately this
is how they perceive the world this is
how Nazi Germany perceived the world
efficiency and we were the open immense
you know where the people beyond good
and evil we're not because in the
content moral argument for the existence
of God what Kant says is the
understanding of good and evil is the
greatest proof for the existence of God
because without God you could have no
understanding of good and evil and this
is what happens when revelation is
removed from internet because intellect
can be evil and this is what in the
golden mean intellect is a mean between
craftiness and between stupidity
so the intellect can be used for evil
and religion without intellect leads
also to gas chambers they might be
metaphorical ones but again we have a
problem
you know the Americans are our problem
well let's just kill them all I mean
it's a great solution because God said
kill them wherever you find them so
let's just do that I mean this is the
tie this what happens when you divorce
one from the other you you end up with
the same result which is brutality a
loss of your humanity it's really
extraordinary
and this is why bringing these two
together is so difficult and yet our
religion has been so brilliant at doing
it and the man that did it is called the
proof of this law which it's a lot
Hasani he is the man that brought it all
together
he brought the thing that will sold
he was a master he's one of the greatest
a Saudi scholars in history he brought
the a peda he brought the philosophical
tradition and he brought the spiritual
tradition and he synthesized it into
this extraordinary exposition of Islam
where he said don't fight each other
these are not mutually exclusive
meanings can't you see you're all
looking at things from a different
perspective and what you need to
recognize is this is a diamond that has
different facets and it is the divine
light that comes into that diamond that
refracts it into this extraordinary
rainbow of colors that you sort of know
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