Reconsidering the Prophet(SAW): Christian Possibilities

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Event Name: Reconsidering the Prophet(SAW): Christian Possibilities
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eah no i do

appreciate that

and and that was a wonderful um

clarification because

we're living in these times where

um you know i see it as a kind of


force that is creating this gender

race and um

class warfare which is an old trick of

the devil

and so i'm 100 with the answer that you

gave that

that that we are whether we're male or

female we are rational

uh creatures and certainly in academia

it's that's that's the the component

although i would say i mean i uh

i have recently been reading it stein's

um essays on women and i've found them

really fascinating so

it is a it is an interesting um

topic um so

if there are more similar verses in the

three semitic religions

and there is a big bond between them

then why do they act like

enemies in the world well that's the

million dollar question

right um because there's so much more

uh there's you know the their the

encounters between different religious

people the factors that go in the

historical the political the

sociological the familial

the geographic um there's so many

factors that go into religious conflict


and i i i will also say i'm persuaded


uh by like bill cavanaugh's work and

others that

uh what we deem often

wars of religion are actually um

politic the sort of political wars of

either the rise of the nation state or

there are some severe political factors

that come in that

make the sort of term wars of religion

realm this a real


that makes sense um

so uh

here um this is a question to you how do

you perceive

feminism in the light of catholic faith

um i'm grateful for the

feminists who came before me like i've

said already uh who paved

the way for me uh i uh

am a catholic first so whatever feminist

literature i am going to read and absorb

i'm going to read and absorb it as

a an observant catholic um

so sort of my primary lens of who i am

is my religious faith and um

it's uh you know it's kind of an

interesting because right now in the

muslim community

historically i think there's there's

been somewhat of an immunity to some of

the negative

aspects of modern

feminism and so i think a lot of muslims

right now are grappling with

is there a space for uh

feminist thought within uh the

traditional islamic and and and i think

and i would i would recommend edith

stein is a good place to start because i


um she really does have a a type of

feminism that's

deeply rooted in tradition and uh

and and again back to the personhood

yeah you know that

yeah recognizing the imago dei

uh that transcends gender right

um that's embodied and yet

is fundamentally um

personhood is at the center not the

right gender

but not the gender right um

so dr moreland not having not read your

book is muhammad's prophecy

compatible with christian theology well

i've been a bad moderator if i didn't

get that

out of you yet but


i think i think people have to read your

book because

it really is a subtle argument and and i

think you're

making a profound case for recognizing a

type of prophecy

but um so uh my book doesn't argue for

particular moments in the quran or


it doesn't it doesn't go to that level

it really does a proprietary kind of


for opening up uh the theoretical

possibility that muhammad is a

prophet for christians then there's a


process of discernment that has to come

into play given particular moments of


so christians could never adopt the

quran wholesale for example

because it's incommensurate different

incommense or differences that

dr yousef already spoke to right

vis-a-vis christology and the trinity

however i do draw upon this

funky category in the catholic church

called private revelation

where the church itself understands that


post-closing of the canon namely

post-closing of the writing of the new


god continues to speak to the human race

and so we've got this category called

private revelation that i think muhammad

theoretically could

fall into this category of god

continuing to speak

to god's beloved community

after the closing of the canon but yes

it is true that that is a

um in my book you really need to read

each chapter because

you need all of the pieces for the

argument yeah yeah

very much so it's not a book that some

some books you can read uh

the chapter independent of others but

yours is not one of them

yeah and and i think the uh you know the


is is uh it's very interesting i mean i

i would for those of people that

that are well trained in islamic

theology i think it's a

it's a very interesting read because a

lot of muslims are not familiar

with the rich catholic tradition and i

was struck

with uh with uh your chapter on aquinas


uh on prophecy because there were so

many uh

aspects of of uh aquinas's understanding

of prophecy

that that are really found in

in our tradition as well um and the

prophetic voice

does not end i mean prophet we believe


ended with the prophet muhammad but the

prophetic voice

um there there's a uh

tradition in which the prophet elijah

said that the

the the scholars and and the ulama

really means not just an academic

scholar but somebody who's

deeply died in in a spiritual uh

tradition um

that they are the inheritors of prophets


and and so they have that portion of the

prophetic voice

and we also have a really interesting

tradition that says

that a true dream is is 146

of prophecy so it's actually it's a

portion of prophecy

and so in the chapter of uh joseph

the the king has a true dream and and

and and joseph interprets that dream so

that type of access to prophecy


on somebody asked

why aren't the monotheistic religions

uniting against atheistic agenda to

demonize religion

and what do you think can be done to

foster more unity

i think we we did discuss that

and part of it is it is things like this

i mean i

uh have immense regard for your work and

and and what you're trying to do and i i

actually thought this book was a

courageous book because i know

i yeah i know how um

and i also understand why at vatican 2

they were

really walking on eggshells because


this is a 2 000 year old tradition

that you know that that

has has held true to these truths for

2 000 years and for

you know to to kind of move into these

other realms that traditionally

were seen as um as so far

divorced is very difficult so i i think

in that way

i hope more people i hope a lot of

catholics read your book

um but i yeah i really do um

the uh yeah

this one is about um the abyssinian


became separated from the western

eastern catholic churches a century or

more after the nicean council

it had more cooperative relations with

islamic civilization it also touts

itself for not being outside of the

realm of the catholic church and


more books than the western eastern

catholic church biblical text

what would be a relationship there that

western catholics can learn from that

ancient relationship about islam

and what can muslims deduce or

understand about christianity from that

um that that church uh i don't know how

familiar with the abyssinian church at

the but it was more of a

it was a i mean i don't know if they

would call themselves monophysites but

the the

orthodox church called the monophysites

they tend to use i think a term


is the term that they prefer but they

were definitely a monophysite

uh tradition and uh they

the the prophets uh saladin his


he said he sent them to the christian um

lands saying that they will not

persecute you

go there there's a just christian king

and he won't persecute you so there are

actually two migrations

uh to the church and and uh but it was a

church that i think the orthodox

tradition is seen as

it was kind of a uh heretical

uh branch but it is i think an example

of muslim christian

cooperation in the past


this one are there any verses in the new

testament that allude to the coming of

the prophet muhammad

i mean muslims say there are and i think

to be fair

christians would would uh generally say

no they would interpret the

the famous in john about the the

paraclete or the

uh he's called the pharaoh in arabic

which in syriac was very close to the

name muhammad

that the word for and which is why a lot

of the syriac christians

ended up converting to islam because

it's it's like

which is for the paraclete so they kind

of saw that as a

as a yeah um does catechism

841 mean the catholic church teaches

that muslims will have salvation

on judgment day regard regardless of

believing in jesus as god's son

i don't know 841 but i don't know what

i'm referring to

yeah i think the question is is do does

the church still

hold to the doctrine of no salvation

outside of the church

no and i i actually francis sullivan

who's a jesuit wrote a great book on the

history of the development of that


and maintains really that

understood appropriately the church

didn't has never really

maintained that particular position

um in its sort of degenerate form but

that's a great book i recommend it

no no real time to go in adhe into it

here but

god wills all of god's people to be


there's a there's a one of my favorite


verses is acts 34

where peter peter says um that

that anyone who believes in god and acts

righteously uh from whatever land will

be acceptable

by god and and and i think that's a

that seems to be a very um


generous but also seems to be compatible

with the mercy of god

so we have a tradition in uh one of our

great theologians

imam al-ghazali

and he made an argument which to me is

very compelling because

we tend to have the tradition of no

salvation outside of islam

i mean there are a lot of muslims that

believe that

but he made an argument that anyone who


seeks the truth and and dies before

finding it

will be will be saved uh

with god because they're not rejecting

because the the word in the quran that's

used for

a disbeliever which actually means

an ingrate means somebody who's

ungrateful in its

in its fundamental meaning but it also

means somebody who rejects

or covers up the truth once they see

it so it's like they see the truth but

then they end up covering it up

so um dr anna thank you

uh they're deep analog for what you just

said in the catholic tradition for sure

yeah i i would agree um

thank you so much i know it's late for

you and uh i

but i really appreciate the time i do

hope your book

gets a wide readership which is thank

you why

why why i read it thank you and

yeah and and uh and i look forward to

the further collaboration with

amir stein because i think you're gonna


be doing something for merstein on this

but um

thank you it's been wonderful to speak

with you this evening

yeah great and uh give my uh best

regards to because i you you seem like a


couple because i was looking at your

your husband's a very um i think

very accomplished uh legal scholar there

at villanova

yeah yeah so

my regards to him also thank you

i i hope we we get uh to collaborate

further in the future

but i would i would love it i would

invite it great

thanks for your time likewise yeah

thank you everybody for tuning in

um i would really request

that i want to thank really dr anna


i think she's uh she's really a powerful

um voice and um she gave a really

incredible talk

at uh at the dominican college that i


um honored to be there and i just

uh felt her sincerity

and i think this book really confirmed

for me that she's somebody that

uh is really uh one of the good people

out there that's doing good work


she she uh she said to me um

you know that she wasn't when i said

i'll call you dr

boyle and she said no no i doctor i


because i don't save bodies and i said

well but the theologians save souls

so it's it's a much it's much greater

uh to be a doctor of uh theology than a

doctor of physiology so anyway

i hope everybody continues to support

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program i really hope that you'll help


with that so on that note may you have a



month of uh remembering our beloved

prophet elijah who was born in this


and i think uh we're certainly blessed

to uh accept the prophets elizabeth as

our prophets

uh prayers and peace be upon him and

upon all the prophets

and inshallah may allah protect all of

you in this time of tribulation keep


family safe keep your homes safe and uh

maybe continue to be able to spread uh

the light of knowledge

and the light of truth uh wherever we


and with whom ever we're with

thank you

thank you president hamza youssef and dr

anna moreland

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