come everyone to friday night live it's the 76th episode we are honored
tonight we have special guests that will be joining us will be my co-host and we've been eagerly waiting for our
teacher mentor scholar of our country of alhamdulillah the ummah um he'll be joining us tonight hamza yusuf the
co-founder of zaituna and the president of zaitunga hafiz protect him prolong his life and
it gave him so much more time in his space to contribute to the society from
his writings from his speeches from his work from his presence and honestly we as an american society we
have not valued our scholars especially the elders of our community um so we're
so fortunate i i typically i'm never nervous speaking in front of or being with another scholar because now it but
he's like an elder to us and and i've already apologized to him before we even start if i say anything disrespectful
and i want to apologize to the audience that's going to be watching insha allah give us the ability to value our uh
um joining us before we start i'm going to have half of one of our
students who is finishing his island program in chicago and inshallah he'll be joining us for a beautiful recitation and then we'll have
a beautiful panel a reminder discussion with our great scholar
hamdulillah good to see you at least we're seeing you on camera go ahead we're not going to hold you back
good to see you all too oh don't be lying in a shank
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part of the quran it really melts our heart and we we miss you so much here michigan inshallah you are doing well in
your studies and everything you're doing
i'm going to invite on and welcome
how are you doing i'm not sure who's excited the audience or me that's that's the only problem
right now i think it's unfair both of us are very excited we're here to learn from shaykhamsa and
we we we read his work we listen to his uh teachings and uh america overall is
very lucky to have a scholar to speak in the language that they can understand and the west is very lucky we're
fortunate we ask allah to give us the ability to value our time in the company virtual company of scholars so
please welcome shahamsa for us i think you know um without saying that
yusuf does not need an introduction um but for the sake of
the session yusuf is all of our teacher he's have he's had a direct and indirect
hand in mifta in the work that's happening here in michigan and majority institutions all across north america
and he obviously is the president of jay tuna co-founder uh it's it's his brainchild
and uh i don't want to take too much time because he's waiting there uh and i'm gonna bring
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tonight i mean i mean all of us and uh allah
keep you young and healthy and in the books that you've done in the books that you're writing the articles that you put published and continue to publish allah
bless your fingers bless your heart and bless the eyes and the ears that listen and read your work
um i don't know how many programs you come on for other institutions the last year
um i know you came on for imran khan recently a few months back but between this and
and now have you been on any other virtual programs because you're very busy yeah i i have and i don't do a lot of um
i don't do that much online uh anymore it's an honor to be to be the
fact that it took out time for us no no you know look my
everybody has areas of concern
and it's it's part of what makes the world uh extraordinary
is that people um sorry let me turn this off that people
uh you know in this you know allah says that
humanity all of their endeavors are diverse and and that's part of the sunnah of
allah because you need all these different people to be engaged in different things but
arguably the most important of all things is education and so i will always
when educational institutions contact me even from outside of our faith
i'm very concerned about education because with education there's a possibility of
transformation and without it there's an inevitability
of really objective of just uh the opposite
of of what uh allah intended for us in in in creating
us because we were intended to know him you know
he said you know to know him and marika comes
with education both outward and inward education
and and and so what you're doing is extremely important it's a very difficult endeavor it's
it's a mysterious uh component of our
of our species because there's so many different views about education about what it is about what its purpose is
about what what the best ways to go about it there's a lot of different educational theories
and so it can be very confusing but what we do know is that
our species have has produced extraordinary works and these are the great works that
are our are our different civilizations have produced so if you look at the asian
civilizations they have extraordinary works and and i have a lot of
uh books from that civilization i benefited from right now i've been rereading uh
musashi miyamoto's uh the book of five rings which is an amazing book on on
martial arts but it's very applicable to the world in general and
just to cut you up i hope you don't start fighting into martial arts because we don't want to keep you on the safe side
oh i'm sorry well sorry to cut you off so so uh
and then and then you have um the extraordinary indic culture that produced so many
wonders mathematics really comes from uh from that part of the world and it moved
into the arab world and then and then uh our our uh ancestors the muslim
ancestors gave it to the europeans and then they created the atomic bomb so you know uh we we in some ways we we
have our own civilizations to to blame for that because there were a lot of scholars that said don't teach them math
i mean we actually had the ulama said the christians come down to learn from us we shouldn't teach them you know
because they they're not going to use it for good things what what what was that in in in um in
greece that was something similar to philosophy like take this knowledge and it's whoever took this knowledge it
destroyed them what's the background of that knowledge sometimes well philosophy you know the original meaning of it is a
very beautiful meaning because it's philosophia in greek it's philo is
love and sophia is wisdom some even say sophia comes from from that greek word
and that's one opinion but but it's a love of wisdom and it came from pythagoras who who did not
want to be called a sophist which meant wise person
you know sophomore in uh in in our school system
comes from two greek words morose which is stupid and then sophia which is wise so a
sophomore is like a wise fool because they're no longer a freshman and they think they know a lot more than
they do and and so there was an understanding that a little bit of learning is a
dangerous thing so so pythagoras did not want to be called wise but he he's so he said but
i'm a lover of wisdom so he was the first one to use that term of filos
philosophy you know the the lover of wisdom in arabic it was termed you know
they they called it hakeem which is a beautiful word because
as you know i know you you've all studied um but in in in arabic that that beautiful
pattern is a active and a passive so it's a it's a recipient of wisdom as
well as being uh a giver of wisdom like
so so you know philosophy is is a very important uh aspect of
education and and unfortunately one of the problems with the muslims is they associate philosophy with one school
which is called the parapet parapathetic school imam ghazali and is to have philosopher was only talking about one
school wow he was talking about as a school that had some major problems in it because
they came to conclusions through rational thought that were completely antithetical to our
teaching like the eternity of the world um the that there's no resurrection of
the bodies uh that god doesn't know the particulars so these things he he identified 20 problems in peripatetic
philosophy was which was the greek philosophy of aristotle
and and so but the but the methodology of the philosophers
what was recognized to be very useful and that's why imam zali incorporated it into us
i mean he is the first one to really bring the methodology of philosophy into us
and that's why as you know there's a branch of osulli tradition that's called the usolab
you know that the people that it's it's it's the people that are using scholastic tradition
logic i mean as you know the mustafa the first 40 pages
is on logic and i'll tell you something very interesting about about saudi arabia so in saudi arabia you know there
was some of the ulama because of the early positions and because you'll read there's a lot of early positions in our
tradition that are opposed to kalam so they say whoever learns kalam becomes a heretic and so people think that that's
the calam of the later tradition but it wasn't they were talking about
the martezi knight school which was heavily influenced by peripatetic philosophy
and so later they they recognize look there's tools that we can use here and so they
incorporated those tools so these aspects of our tradition which a lot of people unfortunately because they don't
know the tradition well enough um they they and then you have people that
cherry pick they'll give you they'll write a book against kalam and they'll have all these
scholars who are very notable scholars in our tradition that we revere who are telling you beware of kalam anybody who
learns kalam goes astray this and that that was all true at the time they were saying it but as time passed these tools
were incorporated into the tradition and so the later scholars recognized the benefit of these tools so these this is
really important to to understand because a lot of uh people don't understand that i mean one of the
biggest problems that we have today we have an ossified tradition and and and it's it's it's a problem
that the tradition always needs to eat it needs but it doesn't need it
if it doesn't need like innovation you know it doesn't need
it needs renovation not innovation so the innovators
bring things into it that uh will alter it and just um i think just
just froze for a second uh i know i can hear shahamsa perfect what do you mean sorry go ahead so so so
um philosophy is very important the method
and this way even hadoon who did not like the philosophers if you read them he didn't like the philosophy but he
said their methodology is the soundest of research methodologies
and he was very steeped in it because the the scholastic tradition adopted it
as a methodology so also becomes influenced by it um the uh the
it's just unbelievable because of that angle approach that he has it's just
is a great example of somebody who who really just
went so deeply into that methodology that he was able to find things in the in the quran that
nobody before had found sure you mentioned something earlier about uh education inwardly and
outwardly right and the the the need of rectification and um for for us i mean the the title of the
of the program is the power of education and how would we as students of knowledge and as all the attendees and
listeners understand the inward education aspect and how that also is as
important if not more important and then the outward aspect of it and perhaps you can shed some light on that as well well
our tradition bismillah our tradition always saw
that hand in hand with fatim and they might not have used this
that term i mean it was used very early on but this idea of like tarpin
together is is probably a later iteration but but the idea they understood
that and this is why they called the the teacher was murabi so they understood that a teacher is not
just simply giving data or information a teacher is somebody who is literally
nurturing a seedling which is the potentiality in the student
now the student that there's something very natural in in in education
so that if a student is in the right soil given the right nourishment
knowledge will naturally grow in them because we all have the potential to know that it's part of our nature it's
part of our fitrah and the children are constantly asking
questions when they're little but that spirit of inquiry is very often driven out of them by drill drill you know
drill and kill by certain uh pedagogical approaches that become
very deadening to the soul and that's why it's very important
for the the teachers to to understand the nature of children that children
are at different stages this kind of cookie-cutter approach to education is very dangerous because
some students are are ready for mathematics at a very early age other students are not
and and and and if the teacher doesn't recognize that then what happens is a student will
actually think they're dumb or they can't understand it and then they there's a lot like just mathematics
there's a really good example of that because there's a lot of children that get math
phobia because math is introduced too early for them and this is why in traditional education
generally math was not introduced until a child was about 10 or 11 years old
the only thing they did with math was rote memorization but they did no abstract mathematics because
the the mind is generally not ready for it and so like in mauritania i'll just give
an example in muritania they don't do any math to in the traditional madrasa
and it's it's tragic because math is so important and and
the same you know allah gave us the heavens
one of the reasons for it is so that we could determine time and learn mathematics
and so math is extremely important and and your your your mind is divided
between qualitative uh aspect and quantitative so we're in the world which
is all quantitative but our perception of the world is qualitative so we we recognize beauty
you cannot quantify beauty beauty is experienced it's a qualitative experience you can't quantify it you
can't determine how much beauty there is in in in a great work of art or or or on
the human face or or or in a persian carpet but you can experience it it's
qualitative but you can measure that carpet that persian carpet could be measured you can determine how much red
dye was used in it you can that's all quality quantitative and so human beings have both elements
and a fully educated human being is somebody who's qualitative and quantitative aspects
have been realized their the potentialities that in here within the soul have been realized and so
it's very important for this the teacher to understand
because a student can the light bulb goes off and you can see it in their faces uh when the light bulb
goes off it's you can see that light uh just and it's quite stunning and
that's why it's wonderful to teach uh like third and fourth graders because
the intellect is just beginning to to to come into its maturation
and and and they're able to uh to discover things and and and have that
wonderful experience of learning something for the first time it's it's quite stunning to see that but if things
are introduced too early then the child shuts down and actually thinks that it's stupid
um brilliant people i mean i'll just give an example of
you know it's it's famously noted that they they literally thought that
albert einstein was that because he was such a slow learner
wow and and i'll give you an example my own son who
when he was about i think six years old he was in a
homeschooling uh but it was part of the uh
the school we were schooling him in home but but they had a person from the the
the state system who came and assessed uh is california so um and i and so they
called me into a meeting with with my wife and we went and they said your son has a learning disability
and i i was like no he doesn't and and of course they rolled their eyes
at that point you know i'm the parent in denial and they said no no he's we've assessed
him and he's not where he should be and i and i said first of all i'm a teacher and i can tell you that that son
of mine is of my five sons he's the smartest subhanallah
and i said it's not that he has a learning ability it's that he's he's he's a head of he's already
thinking about things that are beyond what you're trying to t you know what you think he should be
knowing now wow i said those things will click for him because i know from the questions he asks me that he's he's
thinking at another level and they just literally thought i was
crazy wow so that that child
i would not let them put him into a special and and by the way they get money for every child they identify as a
special needs child so there's an incentive in these school districts to identify children with learning
disabilities but if you tell a child he has a learning disability you're going to harm him psychologically
and i did not want that to happen to my son so i i totally refused so that
boy in in a high school class of 300 graduated with a 4.0
straight a at a really competitive high school all asian and south asian
people he he got into university of chicago he did a degree in the in classics
studied latin and greek and and graduated with with
you know a stellar gpa from a top american university
but had i listened to them he might have ended up thinking he was really stupid
unbelievable and so it's just it's important that people develop at different levels some people have their
intellectual awakening at at the age of 25.
so so we don't know because it's it's just we're allah has made us all
different so some people will show great brilliance early on and other people it's very slow development and then the
other thing we know in it with with no neuroplasticity that the brain
actually gets more intelligent so for instance
it will increase intelligence by learning arabic and the more the more you learn
the more intelligent you will become and so this idea that people are fixed
in in in intelligence is is a idea that has been refuted by modern cognitive
science hello
and he can open up it's like the man that you know and i i saw this uh extraordinary news about a man who was a
bricklayer and he got hit by a brick and he became a mathematical genius that's a true story and he wasn't smart
he was like dumb but he got hit on the head with a brick and it opened something in
his he was able to do really complex math it's all there it's all in us like the
capacity is our capacity is unbelievable human being
language the fact that we're communicating right now the type of syntax that we're using just to
communicate is so complicated it's so difficult that computers cannot mimic it
and and and these are super computers that have immense um
uh capacity for for this kind of logo rhythmic uh type of um
programming and yet they cannot imitate like they the biggest uh difficult that they have in a ai is particles and
prepositions what are called in arabic which are the most difficult thing in arabic to learn
because it's so nuanced language is very nuanced and then idioms what are idioms where do
they come from well you know idioms are so bizarre sometimes
sure like if i ask you how do you do
like what does that mean how do you do we just do what we want
yet it's a way of interesting so if you say how about if you say in
arabic it makes more sense don't you think so like how would you say it in arabic
no how do you do is how do you do that's that's an old-fashioned way of introducing yourself how do you do
my brother always says that's from alien from uh bernard shaw's it's a victorian
english exactly for clarifying that because our faces showed that we didn't know what it was but you clarified it for us
but my brother always says to me when you were younger i dropped you on your head so maybe that's where my father came from or yeah no but the fat is real
and so listen there are people that have like uh although
is one of the smartest people in our tradition and and they thought he was not intelligent
that what you're saying is people who limit themselves have greater potentials
and the aspiration of learning should never end never confine oneself like oh
i'm a mother i'm a father i'm someone older i can't i can't do it i can't memorize the quran so that doesn't mean
i can't learn to see i mean it's possible that you can have this fatah even in an older age um i think we have
musli does not join friday night uh he's our elder brother my older brother younger
brother but because you're on he wanted to come say salam he wanted to join as well
it was telling me that he's a fan of your dad's poetry and i didn't even know your dad did poetry if comes up
no my dad didn't do a lot of poetry but my dad wrote a book on aru in english he
and it's very funny because he did it in a traditional more of a arabic style
he did a shot of a didactic uh poem that was written in elizabethan
english on on what they call the royal rhyme which is the the one
that shakespeare uses most so did you inherit did you inherit that skill from your dad too is that is that poetry yeah
my dad taught me a lot about poetry there's that one lecture of yours that i
mean when i went to when i when i first went to memorize quran i was nine years old and my teacher
my teacher told uh so my older brother is right on top of me and he went and he was kind of forced to go to the school
so his face was all grumpy and you know he had the fat later in his life and so my
my teacher looks at me my older brother and he tells me to read so i'm all excited i read my older brother he says
read and he doesn't want to read so my teacher looks at both of us and he says this younger brother of yours is going
to become halfway before you i live before you mufti before you get married before you and have a kid before you so
he just had this prophecy like instantly right and um and i did become halfway with him but he
you know he told me when we were getting married he said come on man take it easy on me so he got i got married one week
after him otherwise everything else is in place so he told me he asked me how old was i i was nine years old he says okay i want
you to become halfway while you're nine and he had this tactic he will make he would make me memorize long persian
couplets like rumi and sadi and you give a speech once long time ago about what is in poetry and um i'm not
sure if you remember that speech i do remember yeah i was in santa clara i i think i was wearing a mauritanian i
never watched the video actually because i think i heard the audio and you know as you were talking about education there's like in from that speech there
was like that one thing you said a poem of shakespeare that i memorized from that speech and then you mentioned something about your father your father
said that the best poem is a poem i'm reading right like about shakespeare he said that yeah the
best poem is a poem i'm reading right now and in that speech you mentioned something that about education you said
something about like passion you're like you know very few people are afforded the extraordinary delight
of having a great teacher like most of us have to suffer the mediocrity of
i think it's a passion less passion less people teaching words that emanated from the
hearts of deeply passionate people can you explain that well i if you look
all one of the gifts of scholars
says that knowledge is is something that
we inherently want to share with others and this is why a child when
when when they discover something new they often run in in an extraordinary ecstatic state of excitement and they oh
come look at what i found and they want you to see this thing that excitement of
discovery which in arabic was which means to to discover to find
is also means to be ecstatic and so there's a type of ecstasy that occurs i mean there's a famous
uh story about archimedes who discovered displacement like why boats don't sink
um and apparently he was in the bathtub when when he discovered it
um because there was something in the and he saw the water being displaced and
and he had that it's he started shouting eureka meaning i discovered i found it but you
know because he he obviously was working on the problem and apparently he got up naked and just
ran down the street shouting eureka that's the greek story of it
hopefully one would not uh do that but that state which is called a shapha
in traditionally is something that the proposal is talked about finding gods and and he said that
allah loves the man of toba and then he used the analogy of a man
who loses his camel and despairs and thinks he's going to die and then he
finds it and then from his ecstasy in finding his his camel he shouts
you know he he made a mistake from his ecstasy and so
what knowledge is about discovery it's about finding new things it's about learning
new things it's about having insights about things and when that happens it's it's quite
extraordinary because uh you know you can be thinking about something for a very long time
and then i mean i'll give you an example in poetry because poetry is very interesting so uh
what probably the most famous poem in america is uh two two rows diverse in
the yellow wood and sorry i could not be one being one travel two
two rose divers in the yellow wood and sorry i could not travel both and be one traveler along i stood to the end of the
poem um i actually i read a book on that poem
wow and uh and i was so disappointed with the person's interpretation of it
and i've thought a lot about that poem um and so one day i was
literally walking out in the woods and i was thinking about that poem and then i realized what that poem was
about i really had a just that awakening moment of realization it was quite
extraordinary because i realized that the uh the key to that poem
is is in the last stanza where he says that uh
he says that uh two rows diverged in a wood and i
i took the one that's traveled by and he repeats i twice and and and what i realized was the book
is about free will that this is the gift that god's given
us that we actually can choose the two paths like
you know we can but you have to be conscious to make that choice you have to know
that it's it's it's you that you are a moral agent
and that you have to act and and uh and most people don't do that
they're in the default setting of just going through life without being conscious of the choices they make
and and so that anyway that was my uh
and there are other interpretations that are possible for that poem but for me that was a very uh powerful moment of realizing that
another example of that i was walking with my son once
and uh and i said isn't it funny how once you start walking you don't really
think about it you just one foot follows the other and and and so we were just thinking about
walking and then i thought you know it's it's very interesting the will you know will power
and that walking is is very much related to there's a willfulness in walking and then i thought about like a child
when they walk it's like the first willful thing they really do
and they work at it so hard and they do it before they can learn to speak yep
and so we're we're a walking creature you know
you know allah used meshi you know
you know that meshia is a very important uh aspect of our being
and and and so i started thinking about the erada the whole idea of will and
walking that that's the first willful thing that we do and then so i you know
i went back and i looked up uh i was looking up uh
will i wanted i was thinking about will you know erada well the root word is
right which is road right so so the word road is from arabic probably because in
arabic the is the one that goes out walking in
search so he goes out looking for water
and so so and the prophet saws
in other words the sharia is the road to water so they come to me for the water
of life fonz vitae you know the water of life and and and then
does not lie to his people where water is because it's a matter of life or death and and and
is a matter of life or death so i said he is the dalio because he went
and he found the water of life god revealed to him the water but he was
a seeker you know he was a seeker the prophet was
a seeker he was going to the cave of hera and that's why will willfulness is
so important and the pat we call the path you know the spiritual path the inward
tarbia the inward education and our tradition was traditionally called tariqah so you had the sharia which was
the outward journey and you had the which was the inward journey and of course it becomes very corrupt and
decadent and you have all the problems that go with um in the same way that the outward becomes corrupt and decadent the
inward also has all those problems but it doesn't that but that path is there and the prophet saws
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until the end of time so that path is always available it's the irada and that's why the mureed becomes the murad
the one seeking becomes the one sought so and that's part of the problem with
modern sufism is that the murid is no longer murid allah it's murid
wow and and that's why there's a whole corrupt
relationship between disciples and their teachers that's that's very unhealthy
because a true teacher is is is a true teacher as a guide
they don't want you to to to become them if they're a true teacher they don't
want you to become like them they don't want you to to imitate them they don't
and it's very often students want to do that they want to dress like their sheikh they want to but these are
temptations that have to be resisted wow because you cannot lose yourself
it's very important that one of the most beautiful things about the prophet's companions
is they're all unique individuals they're not cookie cutter people
they're completely unique amazing fully developed human beings abu bakr is not the omaha omar is not abu
dharr khadija they're really amazingly unique people
despite the fact they were all imitating the same man but that's his vastness because he
said he cr he contains multitudes when he made hajj he made he made hajj rad he
made hajjir karan he made hajjit to mutter in the same hajj
swala you know in that lecture that you gave you mentioned this uh poem of
shakespeare can you can you can you i mean it's just my curiosity i'm coming here as a student right now um you
mentioned it's it's like um you can correct me if i'm wrong the expense of spirit innovation waste of
shame is lost in action actually interaction lust is perjured murderous bloody full of blame blame lavage
extreme
hunted and no sooner had past reason hated as a swallowed bait on purpose
laid to make the taker mad
and quest to have extreme a bliss in proof and proved a very well
before a joy proposed behind a dream in the last two lines all this well
knows yet none knows what yeah leads to this hell yeah institution
needs men to this hell can you you mentioned a hadith can you mention that it was a beautiful you said this before
before you guys mentioned the hadith i i think we need to shut off this poem a little
bit he's talking about the state of lust
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you know shakespeare loved puns so there's a double entendre because spirit means
but it also meant semen you know because they believe that they believed in this idea of the homunculus
you know that the the there was a the the little human was contained in the semen
so the expense of spirits uh is is wasting your semen in lust
so it's the you know the idea is that a human being in a state of lust is
they've lost their minds wow and and and then they'll they'll do
crazy things in that state i mean the date rape is a major problem in american
universities and date rape is usually occurs when
the couple gets into what they call heavy petting you know where where at and and so
men once they're in that state they're no longer in a kind of rational mode
they're in more of a imam shafi famously said that all of
knowledge is lost between the two thighs of of uh of a woman
you know what he meant you know in fact in arabic i mean uh the the in arabic
which is one of the words for a woman's private parts means the place of stupidity like the hubba
you know somebody stupid and so the idea of people that are in a lustful state
they've lost their intelligence and they're not thinking rationally and that's why
islam guards and protects because lust is important as as a human
uh phenomenon allah subhanahu wa ta'ala intended that we procreate and you can't
do that without desire but that desire has to be um elevated and it's elevated through uh
through marriage through intimacy uh that involves care and concern for the two
partners that it's not simply um onanistic
it's not simply pleasure for pleasure's sake that there's a mutuality in the relationship and so you know i think
what he's saying there is really that this is a way men go astray and then
you know it's it before it's like this amazing thing and afterwards it's just a dream all you
have is a memory of something that it's like all pleasure it's completely
ephemeral and just like i mean you can eat uh you can it's amazing how people can
consume food purely for pleasure and then they have indigestion for hours afterwards so they
suffer because of this
pleasure and lust is like that because one of the things about mousia is mauzya is always
followed by remorse and obedience is always followed by joy
so before a joy proposed you know it's something oh i'm going to get some pleasure out of this it's going to be
joyful but afterwards it's you know no sooner it had it's despise
it straight you're like you ha and then it's oh what what was the person thinking
so he's really talking about that state of marcia you know that that
which was has always been a problem in western culture partly because of the mixing of men and
women in ways that islamic civilization did not encourage for that reason
because they they did not want a breakdown of that relationship and there's a very important book by unwin
who was a um a professor at cambridge he wasn't a a religious person he was an
anthropologist he wrote it in 1934 it's called sex and culture and what he shows
in that book is that when when sexual um licentiousness is released into a
culture it'll be that it'll destroy it within three generations
cultures all sexualized it's completely sexualized and that's why they're not producing any high culture there's no
high art because he shows how you it's the sublimation of those appetites
that allow for high culture to be produced once you once you uh once you fall into
licentiousness both gluttony and lust you lose all of the the higher um
desires for for uh great poetry i mean who who are the great poets today
rappers who are the great novelists seriously who are the great novelists because i mean i
if you read the great novelists of russia where are the dostoyevsky's where
are the tolstoys where are the turgenevs you know where are the roomies where are
the sadies where are the hafiz i mean we had so many of those type
people where are they now so so once this culture falls into
appetites there's not much left
that's why the prophet says exactly and and that's that is
that's it i mean those are two they're so important in in uh
and then you know i mean plato thought the circle was like the perfect
form and so the head is like a circle that god put on on the body
and the and and and so the heart is like the the will the reason is here
the will is here and then the appetite is the stomach and the genitals so he put reason on top and then he put you
know the the will to be guided by reason and then the appetite to be guided by uh reason and
will wow so so you know once once you invert that
and put the stomach and the genitals that's why imam wrote that beautiful book in the yeah
breaking the two desires because if you can control food and if you can control the genitals all the other desires are
easy to uh to control because those are primal urges
and thus we have this we have the fasting concept and oh so many things of taqwa
in our in our culture in our tradition also i mean now pornography is wreaking
havoc on young people and and young men in particular but apparently a third now
the viewers of these things are women and i know it's a crisis in the muslim
community yeah because i've read the stats on it i don't want to take it off the topic of
poetry but i really wanted to ask while you were speaking about the rational aspect and the ted to be an
aspect of acceptance and obedience um i i feel like this is a befitting question to someone like yourself that when it
comes to us as muslims there's always times where we're hoping to accept something but
sometimes it just doesn't make sense and you've spoken quite a bit about this in different lectures and even the oxford
union speech someone asked you a question that was similar to this and you give them a powerful response you can find it online
but where does it happen so that a person just accepts is that is that the will of accepting or is that where does that
come from or is it are you talking about accepting things that maybe you don't understand in our in our religion
correct well i mean it's called submission
you know i mean the uh you know they talk about the great resignation out there
we have to have the great resignation internally um
there's things i think there's going to be things in in islam and and in any tradition
there's going to be things that will trouble you in reading the books you're going to
come across things that trouble you some of those things are contextualized
so some of the rule rules about the ima in the books of fich that you've probably
come across um i found them very troubling uh
but it's it's important to remember that the fukaha are lawyers i mean i think
people forget that the fukaha are lawyers wow yeah
and not all of the fukaha were deeply spiritual people
they had great fukuha that were really they were they were lawyers so they find loopholes
and they find things i mean i found for instance abortion because i i wrote a paper on abortion
and i want to expand it because abortion to me is a very important issue because it it gets at the crux of the
modern world this this idea that
people can simply choose to um to eliminate something that god
has has uh initiated and you're living and you live in california so you have the far liberals
that are yeah yeah no and abortion is really a very never in the history of islam has
abortion been permitted anywhere in the muslim world uh and people say oh well
imam aramli from the shattering school he permitted it well why then do the safety
countries outlaw it why is it outlawed in malaysia because
every f every method has shad fatwas there's no medhab that doesn't have
and and that's why traditionally you have to follow the meshur of the meth what was the dominant opinion you can't
just pick and choose islam is not to pick and if if i
cherry-picked my religion i could pretty much do whatever i wanted you could
drink marijuana drink marijuana you know pretty much
fornicate pretty much anything you wanted because you'll find opinions for everything
but but what is the normative tradition and that and that's why it's very important for people to understand that
so imam ramli when i looked in in that section it was about ima he was talking
about imam somebody asked him about aborting a a a concubine's child
so that was the issue it wasn't about free women it was about ima and that's i found that consistent in
the in the opinions that it was permitted and and i couldn't you know this idea and
most of them even the one the few handful of people that did permit uh interrupting pregnancy
it was before 40 days because there's a hilar as you all know it's it's a weak
opinion but science substantiates the weaker opinion today and that's what i wrote in
my article on abortion uh that the rule comes in at around 40 days not at 120 days and i think there's
a much stronger argument to that even sorry a weak opinion but if you when you say uh
and the scholars who have taken another multiple different sonnets that means all that equal to 40 days not four
months exactly yeah that's the other opinion and that what that that opinion
has been substantiated by modern embryology yeah and it wouldn't make sense four
months would not make sense also brain activity starts at about 40 days which
that to me is that consciousness is at the beginning of consciousness entering into the into the the fetus and we know
that from inception life starts at inception that's
biological life it's also a unique genetically unique individual it's not
the mother it's a genetically unique individual and and allah said
weren't you another like we he's saying you were another
he doesn't say you know
that concept today in secular world in the modern world it that that that's
name the submission that where you started off with it's so uh colluded it's so
it's it's so compromised and that's where you know sometimes people like you
can answer some of these speculations at a higher level well people want to
today modern people want to reformulate everything in their own
image so they want to look anachronistically at the past so they're judging slaveholders
for something that was completely acceptable 200 years ago
i mean that just people did not see anything wrong with slavery very few people did
right so but the other concept even with the quran this is so much you can't impose
your sensibilities on previous peoples you know so so it's very important that
it i mean i would argue that i think islam one of the goals of islam was to
to eliminate slavery and i think the muslims unfortunately didn't take it seriously enough
um and slave traders were odious in in islamic history they they were not they
were not liked even in america slave traders were considered the lowest of the low like they were really
considered horrible human beings um so the slave trader was always odious
in every even in the roman if you read the roman histories slave traders were
always seen as very low people but slavery was was very much part of
the pre-modern world islam i like many things islam is a is a
tradition of tadric it tries to eliminate things
um slowly but i actually think one of the the wisdoms behind slavery was that
it would reduce war casualties 100 because when people are fighting and
they know that you know that they can gain uh booty from from uh
from war captives they'll i think more likely to try to capture them than
to still honor them i'm so sorry you had a question go ahead well i was saying that you know the question that
most people have asked and i you know i'm like growing up i read and and heard
audio audio lectures of shaykh don't you think that one concept that is not being taught
enough which is the foundation of submission is the fact that islam is rooted in love right it's in
rooted in love for the prophet sallam it's rooted in love for quran and naturally when you love somebody like if
someone we love shaykh hamzah that's why whatever he says you know it's like that the cro
it's like that you know that nowadays that shall come to you you use that word in that sheikh and like anything that
sheikh says it becomes like a beautiful thing even though like 10 000 people are saying the same thing but if you have
love for somebody if you have love for somebody that when that person speaks you it's
easier to digest what the person is saying and you know iqbal you love
he says something he says a poem says
he says the man who famine racks hill fears no death like he's not afraid of poverty or anything he doesn't scare him
if you that person you can't defeat him all you have to the only thing you can do is remove the spirit of muhammad from
his body once you do what then you've conquered him and i think that spirit of muhammad sallam has once it's taken out
from the person's body in the soul then now of course now there's gonna be questions and this yeah
i would have totally agree with you love of the prophet isaiah is the hair of samson
in our religion you know samson his secret was in his hair and once once delilah cut the hair
he lost all his power wow so he would if he if he went if he went for a hunt she was gone
so so so love of the prophet is the hair of samson of our faith but even
after that where you might be what did they say going into battle why muhammad you know
which which really meant word that muhammad was with us
if they did something that was as irrational as leaving their families and just you know leaving everything behind
just killing or killing everything behind you but even that if it was said to us we accept it and uh so in our education
system in america or even in our you know in our systems of you know where we have whatever institution that
we're trying our best to follow on your footsteps where do we add that is it just natural is it embedded
or is it supposed to be well you know love comes from from three
sources love of the prophetic sin one is knowing his seerah knowing about him and
who he was and then also knowing about his beautiful qualities and characteristics
um but then the third and really the most important is knowing what he did for for you mr muhammad
if you can imagine first of all it said you know he's he's going through the
heavens and and seeing all everything's being revealed to him but but he's not
deviating he's not looking he's oh this is interesting oh what's that oh no he's
only thinking about god he's not interested in all of
the utterness and and but then when he had he's there
with god what he couldn't say to god i don't want to go back i want to stay here
you know to go back to the world and and and and suffer the trials
travails and tribulations of dunya wow
when you've reached the pinnacle of reality there's nothing beyond that
you know there's nothing beyond the low tree of the furthest limit how many times
even gabriel couldn't go so he comes back and and you know there's a great
story about the three men in the desert who who uh
they you know they're dying of thirst and then they come there's this the big
walled uh rectangle
in the middle of the desert so the first one climbs up to the top and then he just says
allah and jumps over and then the second one comes climbs up
and he says subhanallah jumps over and then the third one he wants to see
where his two companions have gone so he climbs up and sees this beautiful oasis
with water and date palms it's this incredible garden in the middle it does and just as he's about to jump
he says maybe there's some other wayfarers out there in the desert that need to find this place i should go
look for them and that that is the that's the task of the teacher
that that they they're more concerned once they have found that place
they're more concerned that others find it as well and that's why the prophet said
they come seeking but they go out guides to what they found
and so that's the great gift of just giving back what we found part of what for me you know when i came back to the
united states you know alhamdulillah all i did was share this amazing thing
that i found and and when i came back i found people reading all these modernist
books on islam and i'm like how can you read that stuff when you've got all this
i mean how can you read some 20th century
pseudo-intellectual muslim uh when you've got fakhruddin
and even ajiva and all these amazing people and i just i just wanted to share
what i had discovered in the desert you discovered in the desert of
mauritania in mauritania yeah well i discovered it in in in england and then
and then later in in going to the emirates and meeting the muritanian scholars there
but i just there were so many people like like imam you know like this book was not very
well known you know so this is one of the books that uh
by uh even jose and kelby you know this is this was always was my go-to tafsir
[Music] so a lot of people use this now but you know these are treasures
they're treasures i mean a
said something so amazing when he uh when he said if the kings
knew the pleasure that we were in they would come with their armies to try
is better because there's drums involved in this alcohol evolved
well there's you know one of the problems uh and nietzsche identified this the german
philosopher um one of the problems with human beings is that we have two
we have two ways of being in the world you know people were wondering like because i started this
book club and one of the books that i wanted to read with people was a book by jane austen called sense and sensibility
you're like why do you want to read sins and sensibility and but part of the reason is because
that that book which is an a beautiful book about two ways of being in the
world which which is the way of sensibility of feeling of emotion
uh and and the way of sense of reason and logic so you have these two
wonderful characters marianne and eleanor and and they they're they're in the
world in these in these two ways but what jane austen is showing is that they're both
important ways of being there has to be a balance and one of the beauties of our tradition
we have mecca which is ecstatic it's it's feeling it's it's powerful
emotion and then and then and then we have medina you know the meccan verses are
are extraordinarily uh ecstatic verses about god and about chris and then you
go to medina and there it's it's coming into the city it's how do we behave with one another it's how do we
and and and the bridge between those is the is you know it's going to to jerusalem
and praying with all the the previous dispensations leading them in prayer but
then ascending into this ecstatic journey to the lord
so islam has mecca and medina and and it's this beautiful balance
between these two ways this and that's why in mecca everything go all the men and women are mixed together and that's
all there's no all that that that that that medinan uh
balance is is really displaced in a way that's quite amazing for our religion
so it's all there it's and and so bad everybody's there's there's no
differences here because everybody's immersed in this ocean
of bewilderment in mecca but then you go to medina and
now the prayer lines who got there first you know it's it's all order so that
what what nietzsche called apollonian and dionysian the the the dionysian was this ecstatic
way of being in the world and the apollonian is this um
this this um way of being in the world that's measured and and law based and
controlled so islam beautifully bridges these two
and and and welds them in a way that no other religion has done and this is why if you look at christianity it's a much
more uh dionysian faith and then judaism is a much more
apollonian faith so so the christians they're that the
tendency that they have is to to to become ecstatic and and lose their way
you know so allah calls them you know and and the other way
is is is is that way of of law based whereas in islam we have
this wonderful uh in in some of the the the
the traditions of the poem they talk about you know this idea of inward ecstasy and
outward sobriety and so in our culture today you have
this this dionysian madness where everybody there's no there's no apollonian
uh measurement there's reason is being thrown out and every it's just the rave
party the burning man is the great expression of that madness that's a very unhealthy
sign and and there's a great play by euripides called the back eye which
directly deals with this problem so so islam has this incredible balance
um so the sufis have a tendency to become two dionysian that's that's that's when
they go astray but generally the sufis were extremely sober and and one of the
problems with modern islam is they is they think that the the the this kind of um sufism
of the tombs and all these you know wild ripping the things and screaming and having all that
this the sufis were they were scholars generally and they
and they were the most scrupulous in their adherence to the uh to the sharia they were people that really hated
and that's why very early on they were already saying there's no sufis left i mean uh in imam kosheri is saying this
already wow in the resale so so where are we today i mean i have a
book by ahmed zarooq uh which is akam john ibn obernat uh
sarah posted his famous uh didactic poem on the rules of of uh tasol
and he has the last chapter is the sufis of our day and he just talks about how they're
they're all astray wow [Music] but there's some
there's some scholars they they were there them leaving us
[Music] and then there are some scholars that were scholars of the soul the scholars
of the heart the scholars of knowledge inside they left us
and they they don't do they don't only decorate your library but they fill your hearts
they in their their impression is not just in speech but in body and that's what we're that's what that reform
i i'm not calling for no one's calling for a reform i want to take this out of context but that self-reform is needed
so much in our society because of this distraction and this delusion that we're
living in and may allah give us that and this that's why having these discourses with people like yusuf it not only does
it make you think twice it puts it challenged your trajectory where are you going what are you doing with this
knowledge how much have you contemplated about this and in in everything you said requires a pen
and pages to be written it just so much that could be in a delve into but
you were saying something i don't want to cut you um you know we did this whole conversation started with the like
um the idea of the foundation is of course the love for the prophet now i remember once you mentioned this and
you're probably thinking what's wrong with you you're always coding me i'm not doing it intentionally it's just that you know growing up we we
we uh i never knew urdu and never in arabic growing up so we we read a lot of your speeches and you mentioned one
thing long time ago and i i kept on thinking about it and i i think when i i was just i just went
from pakistan for 40 days with 22 people from from michigan and we came back
you can tell by his big turban so and i i spoke about you to shaykh jamil you were talking there and we
spoke while we were there and i was while i was sitting in the turkey airport while we're doing like we were
reading a book together with other people and there was extensive hadith and narrations about
like loving each other for the sake of allah one after the other like so much and it struck to me that why is
why is there so so much emphasis on loving each other so much and your your
words echoed in my ear that today we have lost the capacity of even
loving that's why we can't even love the prophet so if we have a hard time loving the one
in front of us who's doing good for us who's taking care of us who's like the person right in front of you so how can
you love someone in in his absence which is a prophet sallam so you're if once
you start loving people around you that do good for you and that are nice to you and then you start loving them you start
caring for them autumn what's slowly going to happen is your love for the prophet will increase and it goes from
malam and that's what i started thinking that that's why there's so much i read a
statement and i could not understand like the
essence of muhammad love by imam he says is that it does not increase with
someone doing good to you nor does it increase if someone gives you a cold shoulder because you've
reached that essence of love now it doesn't work yeah and that's very important that you point that out about
essence because the prophet saw i said the reason he's
because he saw the essence of things he didn't see
uh he wasn't lost as most people are
in al hakuma which could one of the meanings of that
i mean obviously the mini cathode and things like that but one of the meanings is that takathor this
multiplicity has you bedazzled oh my god
nothing will lead you on more than your own delusion
so people wh when they don't see the essence of things
that they they're caught in the the outward illusion of it if they listen to
the dictates of iblis then they become deluded about them so it moves from an illusion to a
delusion and and and iblis is called the raror
right allah tells us not to be deluded by the deluder
because he will delude you and one of the things he'll delude you about is about human beings
he'll convince you that not only you're bad but human beings are bad
that he'll create one of the things now about this whole thing about racism
you know that people are just racists people aren't racist
people people to tell to say that is is to create despair in people
well yeah and it's not true uh in fact people many many people
have fought against uh tribalism the prophesizer came to take
these things out of the world to get to the essence of things and so when you see each human being
as as a creation of allah you begin to love that creation of god and you can
even love the most odious of god's creation in in a way that
that enables you to see the gift and the light
of allah in that creation that allah has created it so everything
has a purpose even the worst of people on this planet have a purpose there's nothing allah didn't create
anything without purpose and so once you see that that everything has purpose everything has meaning
it becomes an enriching experience and it doesn't limit you and that's why you can even handle people abusing you
and it's not like we we're not masochists if we can if we can prevent people from abusing us we should and
that's why self-defense is is it not only a islamic right it's a fundamental human right
but if you're in a situation where somebody's abusing you
the people that really are with god know that this is a tribulation from god
i mean one of my favorite chapters in in the quran is surat ibrahim wow
that chapter every time i read come to that chapter you know on just moving
through the quran i get excited every time because i love that chapter there's just
so that in that chapter you know i had this kind of realization of the the perfection of that chapter
in a way that i hadn't realized in other parts of the quran but i really saw
and same with also which was to i don't know how you you know do
you read with the lunar moon do you read with the lunar calendar no
in morocco they have this nice tradition where you read uh based on the lunar calendar so you
begin the khatam on the first day of the lunar month so you always know what jews you're in
you know what day it is subhanallah so like tonight's the 18th night because
it's it's the 18th of june we are we even us the bundy's going calculation mode now
i know i'm disappointed with you i'm not going to have you holding that
flag by yourself we're going to be right by you well i you know i call that like people like imam neo bandies
ask you did you really read it did you really read it no sign on amazon i didn't even read it
because i asked one imam i won't say who it is because you'd know him um because he was saying no no
calculations and i said did you read my book he said yeah yeah i read your book i said you really did you read it he
said yeah about six months later he called me up we need to talk to isna i said what he
said they need to stop calculation i said why are you saying he's i just finished
i have a funny story about a book of yours so like one of us once you know one like so-called internet student we
knew him like you know he just learns online the google guy so he gave a khutbah somewhere and he was he
basically wrote down your khutba and he was basically saying what you said right that's interesting
that's dangerous you could get kicked off the stage or loved by many okay so no so it's fine if you do that but you
know you recommended a book in that in that speech so he basically coded you and
he's not saying your name he said yes i read this book and it's an amazing book and you guys should read this book right
so one person who is a friend of mine he says he's a professor at this at this university he says i go
up to him i say man i'm amazed that you you're a young man and you you've come across this book he didn't the kid
didn't realize that the book you're referencing was a college textbook not just a regular book so so he said
so he said um so you know what do you like about the book so is it because he's saying i read this book and he said
oh yeah it's a good book and he says do you you know it's a textbook right it's not a book have you even seen this
book before and he says no no i haven't seen it but you know i've heard so he said why are you saying this in your khutbah so she comes up you know i'm
sure people are just there's no copywriting in deen but i think they should at least acknowledge that someone
else is saying i read this book and you should read this book so the same thing with the lunar book of yours uh my
brother my brother he has he knows the titles of all books and the in the offering
which brother my old approach is allah he knows the title yeah he knows the title of the author
and the color he has this book i have this book right here from good to great by carly i actually had that yeah
all right so he's doing that and i'm reading this
so i'm glad you guys are reading uh those are important things
what do you think we only read the sahabah you know
is a great little work you know i've always felt it should be um re-type said and published properly because it's you
should do it you should do it you know every once in a while i actually look at that book and there's the hadith in there are so
beautiful there's so many wonderful treasures in that book you know you should because you know yeah i don't
know if you guys know this but dr winter myself and i think dr omar abdullah
farooq as well we all i first went through gemma table you
know we went out with them and and i benefited a lot and that how many days did you go i you know
i never did like the the four months
[Music] that book is a wonderful book you know
you know i mean i think it's been so long most people probably don't even know the entire story i know it's late
uh i think sometimes ago oh yeah becoming muslim
three hours back i know but [Music] don't hold them too long
uh but if it was up to us we would have you for the next forever right um but just a few rapid fire questions
because she was rubbing his eyes he's probably tired of us he's like you guys these brothers are on here for too long and i'm talking too much but you
already answered the first one my question will be the favorite no i i mean i my favorite suit is
whichever one i'm reading
you know what i was going to say about it is that is that one of the most powerful verses
in there is about moses telling them
know when he reminds them about and then it says that you know that faraon
what he did to them you know uh
you know it's it's it's a reminder that that was not pharaoh
that was a tribulation from your lord wow and and people forget that you know
that they just forget everything's from god
even pharaoh people just forget that
it becomes easier to deal with when you have that understanding then you don't become blameword like you don't start
blaming god for situations then you start looking at each situation as a learning process it's a learning exactly
and it's all from god and and once you see that that's why the prophesies him he was always in that
mode you know he was in that mode
of just seeing everything as from his lord
all of the tribute and that's why you know my favorite do i was the alpha when he comes out
and says that amazing dua you know in a manta kiluni
i do need to get you know that dua is painful if you start
that dwarf it's an incredible dua and but but he said you know in them
you know as long as you're not upset with me i don't mind if you if you want to send these people to torture me and
punish me i if it's from you and and that's hajja
when she says to ibrahim when when he's leaving her in the middle of the desert
abandoning like in modern terms it would be like a husband abandoning his wife
and child in in in the middle of the desert and she asked him is this from your lord
and he says yes then she she she's she she it's good
i mean this session has been way too overwhelming for me i'm enjoying this so much i don't if you ask me i will have
you all night shahamsa and and alhamdulillah we have you as as a scholar mentor and leader for our
community exactly we do want we do want we do want jocamza to accept an invite again next
time or else i don't think he is because we took so long so let's just ask all the questions now
oh no
few moments before he leaves just to tell us about um hey how zetuna came about and what is the next what is what
is his one of my personal questions is what's your next ambition what's your next uh
you know plan or is what's the next plan for your college well i i mean obviously
you all are running an academy so you know that you know funds are very important so
just an endowment is really important so in terms of my role as president i'm hoping
in whatever time i have left in that position you know to secure a good endowment for
the college and then we have projects there that we're working on but my my real interest is in creating
a k-12 curriculum for muslim schools wow because
the the muslim schools are generally substandard
um and i think we have an immense opportunity i i was saying back in the 90s that i
don't consider permissible to send uh muslim children to non-muslim schools
and and that's not that's imam malik said that uh yusuf nepahani has a fatwa 100 years ago
about uh
can't remember what he called it um but now with the critical theory
with neo-marxist ideas that have completely infiltrated
um education even at the lower levels so they're getting these things now in
in middle school in high school and certainly in college so if muslims go
through uh college they're going to come out thinking socialism is the answer to all
the world's problems uh and we have many scholars wrote against socialism
uh in the muslim world a hundred years ago i have a book um
like i'm gonna ask you come to just grab a book one by one just relax okay don't say too much
i know that's the only book you got on your bookshelf right now brother ben i'll pull up books right in the left got books in my pocket
islam for the socialism wow this is actually a really good
little book but it's uh it was published by in in lahore by muhammad al-sharaf but it's by mirza
muhammad hussain and you know he it's really good
i i i mean i read this pretty thoroughly you know a couple of times there
you can see you underlined the whole book yeah i know i i i gave it a good read but but it's a
it's a very useful little book because it shows you how when these ideas showed up how muslims looked at them
when was this book written he wrote it in
first published 1947. wow so he's got the human situation war on
wage slavery private ownership and social welfare balance society economics and religion the golden calf
and then uh you know it's very interesting
right here so so you definitely read the first 500 500 years of debt
that book i have that yeah how was that that's an important book i
mean my you know yeah you know
that these are my economic books okay so here's here's uh the first five yeah
you're gonna have to slow down on us oh there's no yeah
but then i'm sure you never read it you just heard the title somewhere and you just asked this is good book here thomas soul
basic economics how about how about islam and economics
in the west do you have something on that uh this is all uh this is all islam and
economics this whole shelf subhanallah yeah
yeah and then that's all marxism and anyway
so how do you build it how do you build the the appetite you can read more and more like how does that happen you just you
start reading and you well i mean i have i have certain interests so economics is one of my interests
uh law obviously philosophy ethics
moral philosophy is very important political philosophy is important medicines and interests of mine
and mathematics is an interest so those are those that are you mentioned all the subjects you you didn't leave
them it's like saying
it's like it's like asking michael jordan what's your weakness no no i you know i mean some of the
things i'm a real dilettante in them but they interest me and
and then other things i think you know i've done serious education i mean i have a
lot of books on education an education if we're part of schools and trying to learn like yourself what would be one
book you would tell us to read uh no christine is really good the uh matthew
no christine on the islamic origins of western education a very good book
um also george much to see the rise of colleges very important
and then there's some really good books on liberal arts one of the most important ones i think
is mark van doren's book called liberal education um there's uh
there's a good book that the mormons published on islamic treatises on education wow so you you all can read
arabic so muhammad muhammad ibn sahnun's book is very important on education tarbito subian is really
important and i think that's been translated into english as well
obviously on education there there's a good book on the his uh rosalie's theory of
education which uh brings out all because he wrote he never he didn't
write anything specific but he has a lot of educational theory throughout his
works so there's a lot to gain there
um and and he really understood i mean he has some really good advice
about
doesn't have time for tv he doesn't watch movies and he doesn't do you play golf check you know i i
my dad was a my dad was on the columbia university golf team so my dad was a great golfer and my dad
actually i got i got golf lessons when i was young um
and and i was actually a very good golfer but when i became muslim i i gave
up golfing about i played about four times a lot of
muslims golf um and and uh so i have played about four or five times since i
became muslim and i was always surprised that i actually did pretty relatively
well because i you know i learned it very young and i was a good golfer when i was in high
school so what is your what is your interest outside of like the maba like the the um are the
things that are like like hobbies and stuff like that because i mean i'm sure like we are we're into sports so we
spend a lot of time playing ice hockey and playing basketball and it takes away from what we're doing but it goes i mean
they're really good sports um i like uh i mean i obviously
probably my biggest but i walk i try to walk every day
so and i go for long walks um you can think a lot when you're
walking uh and i listen to uh i listen to a lot of
pictures is
i think we we have to thank sheikh for the time that he's taken out so much time he's taken out of his
precious schedule um a scholar
i i think we just yeah froze you know what i tell us directly that you took all my evening yeah i want
to share just um just this link right here that um zetuna
the team um very nicely put together for us may a lot of reward mr aisha subhan the vice president of
zeitung for um putting this together and setting it up for us and i think i've been in contact with her for one year um
just trying to um have to join us uh and they wanted they they they i asked them if rather than
asking all the details about zetuna and the great work they're doing we rather just join a call with the team
and they can explain to us on a separate call so we've shared a link and this link pretty much
summarizes and will be a live session with the zeitung team where they will talk about their institution and the
details of what they do and how they run their college and the difference the differences between their curriculum and all other curriculums
that are out there right now um i will be on the call myself and i'm encouraging everyone to join the call we
have one 13 1400 people watching right now uh please try to join the cause a free uh session that they're that
they're they're going to have in regards to zaytuna curriculum uh also bijan before we leave i really wanted just to
share this video i was really i really enjoyed this video um that's a tuna made and i want to share this if we have a
second just to watch one of their uh trailers on what they do
hamza is back okay we can yeah sorry i'll show the trailer later i
apologize may allah bless all of you and increase
you and protect your organization shall we give you lots of openings
again we apologize if anything we took you beyond the time really apologize you know when you have all three of us
on one screen and you have yourself you're like you are our teacher so whenever our teacher comes we just just
send so many questions his way uh and so i if there was any disrespect in that we do apologize but it was an honor for us
to have you with us insha'allah we'll see you in person soon and it would be an honor for you for us if you can
actually visit our campus and and see our students inshallah one day as well
if you can share the video
is there audio to this yeah i believe so i believe the audience
shared through stream yard so i'm actually gonna copy the link and uh put it here so inshallah everyone
can um if you haven't got a chance to go to zaytuna's youtube page or their facebook page go ahead please check it out
inshallah i put the link on the bottom and you can just definitely just press the link watch the video
join uh the the zoom call that i shared that link above as well in charlotte i
think people will really benefit from it and uh you will enjoy what daytona is doing inshallah hopefully in the future
we can have more future uh you know sessions which you come to yourself and perhaps you know collaborations with zatuna if allah
i just got to say one thing but then like all those like when you start throwing those book names out there you
stop writing because and i think you already read all those books like you already got them down i have narrowed them down things one of
the things i learned is that when an elder speaking is not to write because
because you want to give the respect respect and i wanted to write i have i have a i have a pad right here
and you know i i i you know i could take the notes jesus not to make him feel like you're not
listening to him yeah because i didn't want to look down and write when sheikh was speaking so this stuff
but i gotta tell you something but alhamdulillah like you know like it's we were you made him
laugh you know that's i got i gotta give it to you about that you know you i wasn't trying to make you laugh it was just
not such a such an honor to have him on on
our on our mistake page and and you know getting to know him at a personal level him getting up and showing
his library was a highlight for me you know i don't think he would do that for someone
the thing is like you know people i mean of course when we were growing up for ourselves like people that were like
holy knowledgeable they're like they're like untouchables it's hard to know who they
are you just want to move away from them and like oh this is hard to get you know i think what you guys i'm not saying
but what we have done is like we made knowledge more accessible and like people like shakham yusuf
i'll tell you something all these guys are watching today like i mean if you aspire to get anything in
life like if it's if it's if it's a sincere approach and you're doing for the sake of allah
make things easy for you you know we always wanted to um benefit from see him talk to i mean it seemed like
it's going to be something you know when we were growing up impossible like we're hearing him from an audio tape or like a
cd no we're not that
um i think literally i've never been so persistent and stubborn for a speaker in my life like she comes to
yusuf and i i appreciate that she was able to handle my stubbornness and persistence and throughout the one year
or actually more than one year uh i'll reward her bless her bless her team really inshallah hope is the beginning
of uh of something i'm not saying we're gonna have them on more often but allah allows the beginning of something more
that we're able to have them on more and more and until then shall we bless
joining us in person on tuesday like i know um khabib is a great mma fighter
ufc champion but you know he's a champion he's a he's a great icon but like for for us students of knowledge we
we really benefit from people like shahamsa and you know these scholars much more people healthy keep him healthy like
his life in his health but when you said that you remind me of habib so i'm sure the link over here we have online seats
available wherever you're watching please join us insha'allah it's only a few days away uh and sean tuesday please
make dua for the event and that goes smooth uh
people benefit from that event as well and if you're in michigan i think maybe a few 50 60 seats are left uh inshallah
you're able to join bring your family your friends um we want to show khabib
also our institution our our attendees our students inshallah allow him to keep
coming back again and again too if possible allah bless you all um
i can't thank you enough for organizing uh the collaboration with
all the audience that joined us tonight bless you guys all except all your duas and increase you in knowledge and in
action and save us from the trials of this world and also once before before we leave inshallah the link that we shared about
the um anyone wants to share with your family and friends feel free to share it with
other people as well i just shared the link for the tuesday program it's
khabib michelle please check it out and share with your family and friends