Beyond Schooling

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We have a saying that Shaykh hamza often uses.  Let the dogs bark because the caravan is leaving and we have places to go.  So, the dogs that Mr. Gatto alluded to who are barking up the tree of compulsory schooling can continue to bark because we have an antidote to this dilemma.  Factually we have many antidotes and some of them appeared in front of you earlier today we had six fine men and women who represented real tried true alternatives.  We had a representative here from the interio federation of teaching parents and we'd like to welcome actually all the members of the interior federation for teaching parents who are here tonight they've set up a wonderful display outside these are really courageous men and women and young children and families who are taking education into their own hands and I hope all of you will take an opportunity to visit their wonderful booth outside and and speak to their

some of the really fine representatives

we had representatives here from the

Montessori tradition from the Waldorf

tradition from the Sidwell Friends

Quaker tradition and also from our own

Islamic traditions

our next speaker tonight is not a

stranger to most of you he has come to

Toronto many times and every time he

comes mashallah the community comes to

listen to him shaykh hamza yusuf hails

from California he is presently the

director of the zaytuna institute for

traditional learning Shahana has himself

had an incredible array of educational

experiences that have taken him through

private schools in the United States

that took him through universities in

the Middle East and finally took him to

the place which tea this morning told us

was really a place where education was

happening in the wilds of the Sahara

Desert with men and women who were

really committed to learning and living

in communities of love and peace and

tolerance together she comes a Yusuf has

since his return to North America

several years ago dedicated his life and

masha allah der many young men and women

older men and women who to have

committed their lives to creating

educational alternatives within the

Islamic ethos that reflect many of the

values that John ended his talk on today

the zaytuna Institute and many other

organizations including dar al-islam

foundation heey productions and others

organized programs at a grassroots level

to bring different methods of education

that find their heart and soul in the

tradition of our particular faith a

reality Dean intensives rattlers jr.

Dean intensives and Arabic programs that

seek to reconnect members of the Muslim

community with their tradition in many

ways Hamza Yusuf is our version of John

Taylor ghetto tonight he's going to be

following for where mr. gateau left off

and just in the same way as mr. Gatto

has given us that picture we hope to

take the next step what do we do about

it where do we go from here what is

there a vision that we can all share a

Muslim and non-muslim alike as citizens

of the same land and of the same country

is there a vision that we can develop

together that sees learning as something

that really matters that educates the

heart and the mind that creates dynamic

citizens that takes us to the

vision of a good society that we all

hope and pray that our children will

have without any further ado it is my

great honor and pleasure to introduce to

you my teacher shaykh hamza yusuf hanson

sman r-rahim salaam aleikum salatu salam

ala rasulillah but I hold on report a

nebula in the name of God the merciful

the compassionate person peace be upon

all of the prophets and upon our

messenger prophet mohammed first of all

i want to say that one of the benefits

for me about hearing what I just heard

from somebody of not considerably but an

older age and I'm at and more life

experience and more teaching experience

can come to the conclusions that I came

to which makes me realize that I might

not be crazy after all and that in

itself I think is one of the benefits of

hearing an alternative perspective is

that what you surprisingly find is that

there are actually many people out there

that are having these same Inklings

something's wrong something's wrong with

the present situation the condition that

we're in and I think the primary reason

for that is the extraordinary factor

that is never placed into their equation

which is the human soul this is not in

the social engineers equation and I

think this the thing that sums it up

best there was a book written by a man

named Crosby about his basic thesis was

that the the incredible control that has

taken place in the last 500 years is

based on the ability to

things that human beings have have have

obtained a power of measurement they can

measure the air they can measure the

ocean they can measure the stratosphere

and measurement gives you power in fact

the Arabic word to measure and to have

power is the same word but one of the

verses in the Quran says mokka-dal la

haha kappa did he they didn't measure

God they didn't measure God he's not in

the equation and one of the things that

we see that is so prominent in modern

society is the attempt to remove the

sacred whether it be Christian sanctity

whether it be Islamic whether it be any

type a vision of a sacred world it is

removed and when it is included it's

included in a way that takes the teeth

out of it it's included in a way that

makes it an object of study as in

anthropology we can look at the quaint

natives the quaint beliefs that they

held I took a course in in the

University called magic religion and

science and you can see from the order

where they were taking you in other

words we lived in a magical period where

people believed that there were gods up

on Mount Olympus and they did

extraordinary things and then we moved

to the religious period a little more

rationalism introducing elements that

the intellect could share but still

retaining fragments of that previous

period that period the magical period so

the belief in angels despite the fact

that every culture on this planet has

some concept

of the angelic realm coincidence that

every plant every culture on this planet

has some concept of the demonic realm

and every traditional culture on this

planet has some concept of the Sacred

Realm but these are our remnants and

then the religious period was superseded

by the rational scientific period and

then the religious person becomes

irrational as if irrationality was not

part of the human makeup human beings

have irrational elements why do you fall

in love is there anything rational about

falling in love and yet a large part of

my life has been affected by the fact

that I fell in love with a woman and it

was a completely irrational event I

couldn't tell you why it happened I

couldn't even tell you how it happened

but it happened and and I've got some

children running around as a result it

was irrational but it was one of the

best things that I ever did so we do do

irrational things and we shouldn't be

ashamed of those irrational things that

we do if there's some type of

satisfaction that comes out of it is if

there's some meaningful event if there's

some purpose if it fulfills something

necessary to our humanity to our being

then we cannot say it's irrational but

what becomes irrational is a society

that claims to be the most rational

society on the planet and yet it has the

most irrational premises at its

foundation the premise that human beings

can be controlled the human being is a

loose can

on this planet and and we have to thank

God for that the human being is

unpredictable the human being will do

things because he's told he can't do

them because it's impossible and

sometimes because he was told he can't

do it he does something extraordinary or

she does something extraordinary that

changes the world for the better and

sometimes for the worse and that's being

human as well the ability to make human

mistakes there are people now who would

say what do we do we've got this system

what John Taylor Gatto just said it

would seem as he's saying throw the

whole thing out and we're told there's

no turning back the clock you can't go

against progress there are people that

will say that they'll say this is human

progress you can't go against progress

and yet one has to question the

intelligence of somebody who recognizes

that they've made a wrong turn down the

wrong road and it's taking them to the

wrong destination and they see a sign

you see you're going to a place called

Paradise South Dakota and you turn on

the wrong fork and suddenly it says

he'll Arizona you have to question the

sanity of that person to not turn his

car around and head back to where he

made that mistake because that's a sign

of intelligence to make a mistake and to

rectify the mistake that you've made and

if you can't do that then you're stupid

and those are the people that are

supposed to get the f's

really we have to question a society now

of lemmings headed for a precipice and

nobody is saying stop and the people

that are saying stop are called radicals

are called extremists a lot of people

don't realize that some of the greatest

most celebrated people in these

so-called universities these higher

centers of learning were radicals in

their time some of them were killed

because of their ideas burnt at the

stake put under house arrest and then we

can honor them like they used to say the

only good Indian is a dead Indian that's

what the Americans used to say the only

good Indian is a dead Indian well now

you can have Hollywood films in which

Geronimo's the hero he's the hero the

bad guys are these these stupid white

guys we can do that now but woe unto

Geronimo when he was calling his people

to rebel against control of free people

of free people look at the South Western

Indians I want to take one example the

Anasazi Indians they lived in our place

there's a place now called Chaco Canyon

Chaco Canyon nobody knows what it is but

there was a woman she's an

anthropologist who also happened to be

an astronomer and she was one day

examining some glyphs up on a hill on a

rock a Mesa that overlooked this this

site of these Native Americans they

weren't called Native Americans when

they were living there they got that

title later I never understood why the

Aboriginal peoples of America have

accepted that idea of being a native

american and

some haven't but some do and it always

intrigued me that but they weren't they

obviously weren't called that then this

woman was up on this rock and she was

looking at this glyph it was a circle

and it had a spiral that looked oddly

enough like what we now know as a galaxy

galaxies are spirals you always you see

these pictures from the Hubble

telescopes of these spirals and you

wonder about order what why is it a

spiral I mean why do you see that in a

seashell that same spiral down here on

planet earth that what is that in nature

the seculars word for the divine what is

it that in nature that that like spirals

in fact our whole bodies are spirals

it's called a double helix it's

everywhere so she was looking at this

and suddenly there was a flash of light

that went right through this spiral from

the rock and she looked back and there

was a slight sliver in rocks that had

been placed there and she thought what's

today and she realized it was the

equinox and she realized that she was

actually seeing the zenith point and she

said is this some kind of astronomical

glyph so she began to study it not no

longer as an anthropologist but now as

an astronomer which is we have to ask

how do these coincidences happen you

have to wonder I mean one of the

fascinating things for me to what in my

travels around the world is to to ponder

the fact that you've got six billion

people according to the control

paradigms latest estimate I don't know

who know who has anybody gotten counted

six billion people but anyway they

extrapolate somehow in that mystical

science called statistics which actually

got an A in

I can't remember a whole lot i remember

the bell curve and a few other things

about that but which is part of the plan

you can take those classes do very well

in them and they don't serve you very

well later on down the road so six

billion people each one of them has a

best seller if they could just write it

down in good language every single

person on this planet that's reached any

age of maturity has a best-selling novel

of their life if they could just write

it down in good language and the amazing

thing about it is those other five

billion 900 million or 99 whatever those

other they're all in that novel somehow

that they're either they're either

supporting actors or small-time parts or

extras and each one of them has that

going on in other words we have a cosmic

event-- of incredible complexity going

on here which is the fact that each one

of you is the center of the universe

each human being in this room is the

center of the universe and right now I

just happen to be part of your

experience each one of you I'm just part

of your experience i'm going to leave

and you go back to your lives and

hopefully they're changed for for the

better a little bit or we've learned

something or we go out to to make some

changes but we have an extraordinary

event going on here and it took place in

that moment in that Mesa where this

woman an astronomer who happened to be a

anthropologist uneasy people saw this

flash of light she happen to be up there

at the right time in the right place and

she had the right tools to understand

what she had just witnessed so they

began to study this Chico Canyon as an

astral astral site and what they found

out was was the entire place was a lying

not just to the sunrise and the sunset

to the equinox the shadows all reached

certain corners in this building and the

moonrise and there was the glyph work to

determine moonrise and sunrise to

determine moon set and sunset at

different times of the year and one of

the equations would take 18 years to

work out these were ignorant Native

Americans ignorant Native American

savages savages so they they asked these

anthropologists to say what was this

place what did it mean they're saying

well we don't really know we don't know

what it was but if they definitely knew

something amazing they had very high

astronomical and geometrical Sciences to

work all of this out they asked a Native

American from the Hopi Indians no degree

no diploma had in fact they just said

Native American that was his

qualifications to be interviewed and he

was a simple looking guy there with it

these they asked him what do you think

this place was he said you know what

this place was he said these people were

people that looked into the heavens and

they saw order and they wanted to bring

a portion of that order down to earth

that's what they saw they looked up in

into the heavens and saw order we used

to say in this culture before it was

taken over as in heaven as above so

below as above so below the idea that we

live in an orderly universe an ethical

universe one of my favorite statements

ever by a theologian in the history of

theology is Kierkegaard statement in

which he said if every human being on

earth was led into heaven and only one

man was condemned

hell and I was that man then from the

depths of the abyss of hell I would

declare the eternal justice of god

that's what these people were looking at

they were looking at adjust universe a

universe of purpose not an eloquent

dance to nowhere as a leading

anthropologist at Harvard University

called life on Earth an eloquent danced

to know where a meaningless random event

of extraordinarily complex coincidences

billions of them that happened to come

together at the right time in the right

moment to make this event why is there

something as opposed to nothing I was i