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to the pitfall

of spiritual pride and we begin to see

ourselves as better than other people

when in fact they may be better than us

because some of them just might be

ignorant they don't even know that Islam

is a revelation from God and that's why

when Islam came to me I really thought

this is true even though I was raised a

Christian I thought this is true and so

I had to become Muslim now when I became

Muslim what I was really trying to do

was enter into a state of submission

that's what I wanted I wanted to be a

submitter I didn't think I was joining a


Benny Islam and then I have to be with

the tribe right or wrong you know my

tribe ride around like Veniamin Rica

they say my tribe right or wrong my

country right or wrong love it or leave


that's tribal they're not truthful and

so that's where I have a real serious

problem is that people expect me to be a

spokesman for the tribe and I can't do


because if the tribe is wrong and I'm a

spokesman for the truth I have to say

the tribes wrong even against yourselves

that's what our law says what oh I'm

comb and I think we need people to

do that and we need more of them because

I really think we need to look at

ourselves and that is not to say that

what's going on what I mean them there's

there's so much

down so many terrible things being done

to the Muslims I'm not denying that but

what I'm saying is that's been going on

for a long time and the strategies we've

been using so far have done nothing to

alleviate that so I'm just wondering

maybe we should reassess maybe we should

actually try to develop new strategies

for changing our condition and and I

think one of the first and most

important is is to reflect on the fact

that the Quran says when Europe you when

you were afflicted with calamities you

asked why is all this happening to us

old woman and the emphasis come Said's

from your own selves that's one thing

another thing when was it a high-density

remedy let whoever find good let him

praise Allah but whoever finds other

than good let him only blame himself

that's inaudible in olia so it's right

there you tell me I mean do we take that

seriously does that mean what it says I

was once in Folsom Prison and there was

a sign we were in the mess hall is for

Eid and there was a sign that said

warning shots will not be fired and I

looked up and I turned to this man he

was in prison Muslim man next to me I

said what does that mean

and he looked at me and he said it means

exactly what it says

do you see because sometimes you you you

read something and who does that mean

so when when the Prophet SAW license

said whoever finds good that him thank

Allah and whoever finds other than that

let him only blame himself what does

that mean it means exactly what it says

so just do it

stop trying to philosophize yourself

into a corner with God submit let the

tears fall show some contrition I mean I

think we as Muslims we should be walking

around bowing our heads in contrition

and begging the non-muslims to forgive

us for being obstacles to seeing the

beauty of Islam I mean I'm serious I

feel like we should be growing up people

say what

these people what did they do to deserve

our presentation of Islam to them when

if you look at the public forum he was

patient with people persecuting him

throwing things at him spitting on him

throwing stones at him for 23 years and

then when a few of them actually finally

come to it Abu Sufian after 20 years he

and his wife who ate the liver of his

uncle bit into it and spit it out

washy who threw the spear from behind

his back in treachery and killed him and

the prophet saw him give Shahada to all

three of them sat with them in the same

way he couldn't even look at washi but

he sat with him you tell me what where

is that understanding of this long

because I want to see it where is that

20 years of persecution and he's still

saying welcome welcome into the fold

because he wanted good for people and

Iman only in his shot let me know

article hat tell you HIPPA via Heaney

MIOSHA pudina Seanie none of you truly

believes until he loves for his brother

what he loves for himself email no he

says in his commentary and I and I have

two versions of it one a more recent one

from Lebanon they removed this whole

thing from his original commentary

because it's it's politically they don't

want it they don't want this

understanding he said well hot wood

owner on your arm women Oh who wa this

should be interpreted first and foremost

as universal brotherhood in other words

the Muslims should love for his brother

the kaffir and his brothers are Muslim

what he loves for himself and then

listen what he says he says and this

love is spiritual love not human love

because humans do not desire good for

their enemies they desire harm and they

desire to discriminate against people

who are not like them and therefore

spiritual love which transcends human

love is for the sake of God you're going

against your nature for the

of God and that is why he said it is

Mustafa hab it is is not only rewarding

with God but highly encouraged to pray

for your enemies and he said therefore a

man should go against his soul and pray

for those who harm him where does that

understanding you see where is that

I mean I'd really I'm serious why is

that in our books why is that email no

way I mean are you gonna tell me that he

didn't know he didn't understand the

hadith that he didn't know the messenger

of our loss Elijah and what he meant

seriously but that goes against your

nature that's what he's saying you

desire harm for your enemies but if you

recognize that your enemies are just a

test from God for you and the point is

is to guide them that doesn't mean you

don't fight them if they're fighting you

I mean that's not what it said but don't

fight them with a hatred that you don't

want them to be guided fight them to

remove the blinders from their eyes to

remove the veils on this and that's why

when you conquer them you forgive them

and show them largess and that's when

they become Muslim I mean that's what

happened when the pulverizer marched

into Mecca he forgave them and they

became Muslim because they couldn't

understand it did he's going again

that's the power of Jesus because those

early Christians they were being eaten

by lions and they were praying for their

enemies people couldn't take it because

they were superhuman they were going

against human nature and they were

invoking angelic nature people forget

that why did Christianity spread it

conquered the Romans why the Romans were

had conquered the Christians they ruled

the Christian why how is it that the

conquered people conquered the

conquerors how because of morals that

their moral state and because of the

fact that they they didn't allow the

fact that they were being persecuted and

defeated by them to destroy their hearts

and cause them to lose their humanity

and that's why when the mongols came in

and destroyed two million muslims killed

two men

Muslim and who loggers brother ahmed

became a muslim within two years of the

conquest of baghdad and I'd be like Jeb

Bush today becoming Muslim you know sure

that's what it would be like if you like

Jeb and they're not impossible don't

think that's impossible if you think

that's impossible you know I don't think

you believe in God because he's a human

being he's facing his mortality just

like everybody else and if he reads a

sound version of the Quran if he hears

somebody speaking the truth and

realizing my god this could be another

prophet like Jesus like Moses because

they're all brothers moving to the next

question you have said that we are

living in trying yet interesting times

and that the age we're in is either

birth pains or death throes can you

please tell us more about what you mean

by this and your views on the nature of

this age well what I meant by that

statement is that on the one hand if we

look on the one hand unless eyes worked

at we're at this endgame it looks like

it's coming down they're telling us 85%

of the fish that we eat is gone it's

just gone that we've over fished all

these areas in these great oceans and a

lot of providers they're telling us the

polar ice caps are melting they're

telling us that the water is rising

right that our major cities have such

high rates of pollution that it's not

safe on some days in Mexico City or

Tokyo to go out for children because

they'll get asthmatic attacks in 1945

one out of 16 Americans got cancer today

it's one out of three so what's going on

aids aids is 50 million people so far

have died from AIDS 50 million you're

talking about the plague of the Middle

Ages the Middle Ages took 25 million


we're already double the number with

aids aids isn't a plague it's not a

plague on humanity so on the one hand if

you look out there it looks grim

it's high water everywhere I mean the

flood has has come the dam has broke and

and that's that's what the death throws

and looks like his we're in our death

throes on the other hand if you look out

there it looks like we're on the birth

pangs of an extraordinary Renaissance so

it is interesting that right on but

they're interesting times and I really

mean that for the first time in human


racism is seen by the majority of

humanity as a blight even though we're

still suffering from racism all over the

world it is no longer an accepted idea

it is rejected by all thinking people

across the board in in much larger

numbers than has ever existed in human

history 71% of Americans in a recent

poll said that they not only were not

opposed to mixed marriages but would not

be troubled if their own children

married outside of their own race I mean

that is amazing and it's happening and

we're seeing it in in in my children my

children are there Brown my when we get

to get family reunions my mother and

father's generation we had an entirely

white family now there are more mixed

children in our family reunions than

there are white children so what's going

on and that's not a novelist that is

actually becoming increasingly a norm

that in 50 years 50% of America is going

to be brown not white this is no longer

a white country it's no longer also

increasingly so it is becoming less and

that's a Christian country so we have

also the possibility of the plurality of

races and religions in conviviality

which is extraordinary

for the first time in human history

people are not being persecuted for

proselytizing I mean all over the world

people couldn't think they were allowed

to think now you can actually you can

you can choose your religion people can

choose their religion

chose to become a Muslim and this is the

first time in human history that you've

had that type of a freedom of choice

because there was a time when I would

have been burnt at the stake for

becoming a Muslim burnt at the stake so

that is an extraordinary many many

extraordinary aspects to the modern

society that we have to recognize the

tools that we have now to illuminate

people unfortunately they're largely

being used to foreign document not for

illumination but rather the opposite but

they're there and they could be used and

potentially their immense I mean even

though you know there are many things

that troubled me about Fahrenheit 9/11

just from a Islamic point of view of how

how we engage people we disagree with I

still think it's very profound event

that a film like that has grossed over a

hundred million dollars and it's only

been out for a few weeks it's what it's

going to be one of the loves grossing

films in history and it's a documentary

telling people that we did something

that was really wrong

just wrong so I think that's that's I

think there are many reasons why we

should be optimistic so this is the

paradox of our age it's an age that on

the one hand it really looks like we're

dying on the other hand looks like we've

hardly been born that brings us to the

last question from Dean point many

Muslims are suffering today the OMA

seems to be in a state of helplessness

what can we do as individuals to make

positive changes and also where are the

pros and cons of working as individuals

for this change as opposed to in groups

well for now the first thing that I

would say is about that is that our

helplessness is a gift from God

because we have to see that it's from

God God has removed our power partly

because we started thinking that it was

our power and not and not God's power so

it's a gift from God I don't think we

should see our condition as anything

other than an opportunity from Allah

Subhan Allah tada

to truly submit because the world is so

beyond it's like Robert McNamara said

one of the lessons that he learned and

this is the man who was in charge of the

Vietnam War who lived through the Cuban

Missile Crisis one of the lessons that

he learned was rationality will not save

us because he said Kennedy was rational

Khrushchev was rational

Castro was rational and yet they brought

us to the brink of destruction rational

men rationality will not save us so

that's a lesson and if that's Robert

McNamara saying that I mean how

shouldn't Muslims learn that lesson

because that's an Islamic lesson

rationality will not save us nothing we

can do what will save us nothing we

cannot do anything that will save us it

is Allah alone our Creator alone that

can save us and that's what we have to

call on Allah Subhan Allah Tala that

that's the only thing that we can do

like like one of the poets and Muslim

poets he said I bring you something God

that even you don't possess my

impoverishment that's the only thing I

can bring to you that you don't possess

everything else you have but that's the

one thing I can bring you that is

uniquely my own to give you because I

can't bring you my my strength you've

got that and and it cancels my now I

can't bring you my intelligence you have

that and it cancels my now I can't bring

you anything I can't be in you my wealth

you've got that and it cancels my now

but the one thing I can bring you is my

helplessness my impoverishment because

you don't have that that's what one gift

we can give to God that is uniquely our

own to

yeah and and and that's that's why it's

a great gift from Allah helplessness but

we have to see it as that in terms of

working in groups or not groups working

and I would say that allows with the

Jana you had a line now Jenna that's a

good Heidi so it's important that we

work together as the best of our ability

and there's some people that will never

be able to work with groups there's

personalities that that's just and those

people should find the best way that

they can do that and and that's from the

there's a chapter in variable cytosine

removing one cells from P from people to

protect them from his harm so there are

certain people that they're just they'll

sabotage everything they get into they

can't help themselves so if that's your

state then just don't don't don't block

other people from doing good work well

we thank you for your timing you're

hungry enough economy