IIS Interview: Islam and Women

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woman has a

child once she's committed to that and

has a child if she abandons that

responsibility in in pursuit of some

empty career or some idea of making her

mark on the world she has completely


the the the the the the the great

importance and the great responsibility

that she has been given by God in that

the fruit of her womb is before her and

she will be asked all of you are

shepherds and every Shepherd is

responsible for his flock and then he

said a ruler is a shepherd and he's

responsible for the country our husband

is a shepherd and he's responsible for

his family and a woman is a shepherd and

she's responsible for her children so if

a woman brings children into this world

and then dumps them in a daycare center

where people have 20 or 30 children and

a woman's being paid $8 an hour to look

after those 20 or 30 children and then

she thinks that somehow she's doing

something more important by going out

and working I think there's something

very seriously wrong with her maternal

instincts yes because abandonment in in

in the animal kingdom abandonment is is

is is alien to animals they will only do

abandonment out of mercy that they will

abandon an animal out of mercy they will

they they won't abandon if the animal is

well with respect to your response to


weboth fair that is the woman's only

means of livelihood and that's another

situation you see you can't yeah I mean

Islam is not again it's not a simpletons

religion if a woman has no other source

of income and she's forced to do certain

things and she's forced to do them and

that the shame is on the man

the shame is on the men for not for not

facilitating for women to to raise their

children I mean we're living look if you

look at America right now look at the

children in this country look at the

rage listen to the music don't listen to

it but if you do this into it from these

loudspeakers up coming out of their cars

as they drive by that music is filled

with rage and look at their faces look

at the spiritual state of these people

or the breath

state the lack of spirituality and to

give some of them credit I'm amazed at

how well some of them do despite all of

the odds against them I am amazed that

there's children out there there's young

people out there that are really

struggling to find a purpose to their

life in a world that is telling them

constantly including their parents by

abandoning them that they are worthless

and that their lives are purposeless ok

irrespective of financial need

looking at your knowledge of mercy in

women and I've been characteristic of

women sailor woman

Muslim woman married with children her

husband provides well and family swing

fine if she feels that with this

characteristic of having mercy is able

to go out into the working world and is

able to do something good for the Ummah

whether it be in the media whether it be

in any any fun and if her capability and

her family has been taken care of

how does that configure with abandonment

well again I would really emphasize that

no one can give two children what a

mother can give to their children that

doesn't mean there aren't pathological

mothers out there there are there are

mothers that dump their babies into

garbage cans and this happens people

read about these things in the

newspapers and some people experience

them firsthand but the point is is that

children need time children thrive on

time I have three children they're


and the amount of time that not just my

wife but that I put into those children

it is is immense and and they thrive on

it they need time and parents now spend

five or ten minutes with their children

in a day and you cannot do that to a

child you will kill that child's soul

and they'll end up spending the rest of

their life seeking that

in pathological ways from other people

they'll end up spending it by trying to

be superficial beings that only think

that they're worth in the world is

physical like so many of the women out

there why are all these women getting

plastic surgery to rearrange their faces

why are they out there jogging in the

streets trying to keep up with some

image of the body that has been

presented to them by by a mainstream

media that has essentially at its root a

desire to sell them things that to sell

them cosmetics to sell them clothes that

quote unquote looks sexy to sell them

toothpaste that's going to make them

more presentable I mean this is what's

happening out there people are in a very

if you look out at the world right now

look out there look at the state of

human beings right now so many of these

women that I see out there do not look

well they do not look well to me and I

think part of it is because their souls

are telling them but they're not well

because they're not doing what they're

supposed to be doing and if you don't do

what you're supposed to do in this world

your soul will let you know from every

which way and it will be painful you'll

end up if you don't listen to your soul

you'll end up on antidepressants you

learned up on alcohol you'll end up on

drugs you'll end up in pathological

relationships so what is the role of the

women which is which would be deemed as

it's immunizes errect you know the role

I hate that word first and foremost

because it's an acting metaphor that's

what the role but anyway I'm it's

English language but I would say that

the not so much the role but the purpose

mm-hmm of a woman is the same as the

purpose of a man and that is to know

their Lord before they die and that is

why they were created and everything

else is incidental that is the essential

purpose of a human being is to have a

direct relationship with

creator of the heavens in the earth and

if they're told anything else it's a lie

if they're told that their main role in

life is to have children that is a lie

children are a path to God and there are

powerful paths and children are

spiritual teachers children are teachers

they teach us and he also remind us

about a pure world a pure state and a

state that our souls were once in but I

I would say that the purpose of a woman

is the purpose of a man it is to know

and worship God how much of an impact us

our cultural heritage as women have in

our identities today how much does

culture play in our identities why you

know the nature-nurture argument I think

that nature and nurture are both working

together environment has a massive

impact if you grow up in Sri Lanka

you'll enjoy listening to a certain type

music that most Americans would would

have a really difficult time listening

to and vice versa Sri Lankan would be

horrified at what people doesn't do in

Los Angeles but while that's changing

due to global pressures that there's no

doubt that that culture plays an

incredible has an incredible impact and

the stories of a culture in our culture

I was raised as a Christian and in the

Christian culture we're taught that Eve

basically is the cause of the fall of

man which is alien to the Islamic belief

but it's central to the Christian belief

and this is why many Christian women are

post Christian women have abandoned

Christianity because they don't like the

idea of praying to a father they don't

like the idea of a male God and this is

something that is alien to Islam Islam

has no understanding of a male God God

is is beyond male and female God's

attributes are exalted beyond human

attributes we don't anthropomorphize God

God is called a king in the in the

Corin Milic which tends to be a male

attribute he's also called alwa dude

which is the the word for a loving wife

he's also called a rock man

which is the merciful coming and the the

word for womb is derived out of that

word yeah man so that the Muslims have

always understood that there are what

are known as Jamali and Jalali

attributes of God beautiful and majestic

and they've always seen them in terms of

that women are a manifestation of divine

Beauty and men are a manifestation of

divine majesty and outwardly and

inwardly it's reversed inwardly women

have divine majesty as as the the

attribute that's manifesting in them and

any woodenly men have divine Beauty

that's the way it's supposed to be I

mean that's these are healthy I'm

talking about healthy cosmological

understandings when people are are

living as a dynamic people that one of

the things that can happen to human

beings according to the Quran is they

can be reduced to lower than animals and

you see it out there look at the human

beings out there look what there's a

billboard now for a movie that shows a

man with a holding onto the tail of an

elephant and it's the whole idea that

human beings are animals he's telling

them that and what how do they have

behind that know what is a whole other

program I think because all he would is

Hollywood is I think you know they say

artists are the antennae of society

Hollywood is letting us know where we're

going there they're a symptom Hollywood

is not the disease Hollywood is a

symptom the fact that we have allowed

these things to to purvey permeate our

consciousness how do you think we have

allowed that to happen yeah Hollywood

can't exist if people don't buy the

tickets to their films and and watch the

programs and by the corporate rubbish

that they're that the people that own

them sell do you think that if

became more involved in Hollywood that

things could change no I think it's a

horrible thing Hollywood will change

them they won't change Hollywood

American Muslim women are beginning to

pick up a momentum of being more

involved in the public arena and to have

their voices heard and you may see this

as our wish to become more like men

however is it wrong to be seen in the

public eye if our intention is to do

good for the Ummah well I mean you're

putting those words into my mouth I

wouldn't see it as becoming more like

men I think women have responsibility in

fact I personally believe that if women

don't have indignation about what's

happening to their children about what's

how many to their societies and if that

indignation does not motivate them to

literally do some serious measures to

take serious measures to enact a change

then things will get worse I think that

that women have immense power and

immense potential to do good and to be a

transformative element in society and

women are half the the the human

condition and and there needs to be more

female influence on the world I think

part of the problem with the world is

that there's been too much male

dominance too much male influence and

it's had a very unhealthy impact we call

the earth mother earth and that's not a

Western idea that's actually an Islamic

concept as well the Prophet Muhammad's

allies in him in a hadith in Fulani said

this earth is your mother and I think

the fact that raping and pillaging of

the earth which is going on right now

all over the planet is symptomatic of

aggressive male energy and that if if

that male energy is not tempered by the

humanizing element of the female of the

mother of getting the milk of human

kindness that we will continue to do

this until we destroy the

viability for human life on the earth

and I think that the criminals behind

that will be men they will not be women

unless we see women as complicit in the

crime by their silence so I I don't

believe that at all I think women have

to do something and and and I think

they're signs of that I think that

there's women in this culture that have

done extraordinary things we have a

history of women not just in the West

but in the Muslim world that that was a

beautiful story of an endo to seeing

woman she was a poet who was so

distressed by the tyranny of our

governor in her province that she wrote

a poem to the Keita and in the poem she

she said what do you say about a

shepherd who's eating his flock and and

she the poem was so powerful she sent it

through a messenger to the Caliph and

when he read the poem he was moved to

tears and he actually went to that City

and ascertained indeed that the governor

was oppressing the people and he removed

him and that was from the poem of a

woman that is a beautiful display of a

political dissent at the highest levels

and shows you the sophistication of the

people not just the moon but the

sophistication of the women to actually

protest in poetry and to have that

poetry move the ruler to the degree that

he would do something mm-hmm was a

testimony to what type of people they

were it's talking a bit about issues

where women seem to not have as much

power as you could say as far as in

Jordan an average I think it's 30 women

at an average of 30 women a year are

killed in honor killings

I'm where's the justice in that well I

mean there isn't any justice there I

don't you know the question is that's

all right there's no Jeffs what honor

killings what what see that how can

this song that has no concept of that

the Christian Arabs do that Mexicans

used to do that but the reports are not

I mean this is this is those reports of

it in Pakistan this used to happen all

over the world this said this happened

in Christian countries this is just a

situation that exists existed in many

parts of the world that doesn't justify

it that the fact that it still exists in

that part of the world is only

indicative of the fact that that

familial honor is still an extremely

important if not a central element to

those societies and a woman's chastity

is still considered something that is at

the essence of the honor of the family

as well as the chastity of a male but

because it tends to be a patriarchal

culture and because of the fact that

women when they lose their virginity

there are physical generally physical

signs of it and certainly pregnancy can

occur whereas with a man a man is more

veiled than a woman in that situation

that in no way does it mean that a man

who commits fornication or adultery is

any less condemnable than a woman

they're both terrible breaches of divine

comportment that I would say that the

Christians have the same concept in

their ignorant

societies Arab Christians have done this

so there was an Arab Christian that

killed his daughter in Chicago this

occurred in the United States it's a

very sick thing to do I find somebody

would have to be a really sick human

being to be able to to kill their own

progeny but in America there's been over

20 million abortions and the only

difference in America is that they say

well these are unborn you know so I

think before Americans start pointing

the finger at thirty honor killings in


let's look at 20 million babies that

have been killed in America all right

really I mean America is a very it's a

culture of amazing paradox and do you

believe the fact that women are now

allowed to vote in Kuwait regardless of

the outcome is a encouraging encouraging

indicator a woman's movement here yeah

well like the bumper sticker says don't

vote it only encourages them I don't

know I mean you know the idea of Muslim

having a vote or not I were the first

country to give women to vote who was

Egypt in the 1880s the Americans didn't

have there was one state I think it was

Wisconsin that gave women to vote in the

19th century his only state there's only

one state in America you know maybe all

the feminists should move there or


that there's no other in America the

women to get the vote to the 1920s

mm-hmm when the Constitution was there

was an amendment yeah to giving in the

vote but the idea traditionally in a

traditional culture was one family one

vote that was the idea it wasn't the

idea that women didn't have the right to

vote it was there was another saying of

a family unit but generally that family

would support and if you have a husband

and a wife that are voting for different

people I mean you've got a serious

problem in your family right in other

words there's a real conflict that is a

conflict I think that's a very deep

conflict that's not a superficial

conflict and they should have maybe done

a poll before they got married to see

how they would vote or something like

that because that's going to indicate

some compatibility and many marriages

have ended in divorce because of

Republican and Democrat splits so you

know do you think the woman that

shouldn't know I don't I mean I think

voting the the whole idea of voting is

it's there's a magical element here this

mystery of I think that the last

election in the United

States indicated the the reality of the

vote in this country I mean people are

trying to wonder are we living in a

banana republic in the United States

when when a presidential candidate can

get the popular vote and you lose the

election well I have to wonder what well

why am i voting hmm I mean seriously why

am i voting all right so I don't know I

mean I don't if men are gonna vote I

think their image should suppose why not

I don't know problem with that I think

it's just logic that I think we have to

question the entire see for me I I want

to question the whole system I mean do I

really I don't federalism is a very

strange form of government I think to

have Washington DC dictating how Irvine

should run their local I think people

locally should decide their own people

say without shoving it into the local

community I mean I would I'm a

libertarian when it comes to that type

my position you know just let let people

locally decide what they need to do if

people locally want to have prayers in

school why can't they have prayers in

school if you've got a hundred percent

Christian community in in Idaho they

should be found the government tell them

they can't add 25 minutes before they

start their classes whereas if you have

Hindus and Buddhists and Jews and and

and and secular humanists or a Marxist

that say they don't want to have that

will have five minutes of silence and

everybody can do what they want where

they can do their homework or something

but this idea of dictating the people

like these are these potato wise men to

learn it elders are going to dictate for

us how we should run our families and

our societies I think that you're an

infant for seven years of your life and

then you begin to take responsibility

and by the time you reach adulthood if

you haven't worked out what you need to


you've either been poorly raised or

something seriously wrong with you what

challenges do you think we women face in

this society today

I think women need to decide that for

themselves I think that I would say the

for me that challenges that women face

are the challenges that men face we're

wearing this together we're on the same

planet half my my family I'm married I

have a wife and I have children her

concerns are my concerns and my concerns

are her concerns and I think if you're

in a relationship that's healthy that's

that's the way it should be so I think

that what's out there in terms of the

society is as detrimental to men as it

is to women I really believe that I

think that men are up against as much

difficulty in trying to be human in this

world as women if not more if not more

okay then we appreciate you being with

us this hour and thank you very much

thank you