stop to the garden and he's expanding
series to include human beings the
Jewish you are on the juices I believe
concerted garden would be to follow that
everything Darwin says as far as natural
selection and over the Torah would have
no problem every single thing the
darkest day with one comes to Torah
concision purpose that there is some
sort of
everyone out here the universe world
creation is all games for a specific
goal and evolution is in a certain sense
is the natural corner of being led along
that path the problem top level when you
throw human being into the equation and
the conclusion the logical conclusion
the dark occasions which I believe most
scientists who come to st. Lucia most
biologists 13f comforters conclusion is
that human beings are no exception and
the human being just like frogs came
from some earlier acted in it and that
everybody else if you came from
something else is going down so
different game the logical suggested
human beings came from faces or human
beings and he has some sort of common
ancestor some I don't know what my
favorite some chicken us handling things
back in Africa some sort of common
ancestor and conclusion to come to the
Magus we are really something other than
a fairly exam and intelligent form of an
animal which is the pneumatic promoted
almost directly from ultimately in
universities and planning in the world
general so this is the part where
historically has major problems with the
Torres would you have solutions not have
to notice confidence absorbing the
service to every 30 nautical but
evolution which was not a random process
that just kind of talisman and that's
the way it is total a chance some sort
of molecules they say say say by random
who knows what they start to be taken
formative years out that was as the
random process it's looked at the
process which is guided by god and this
is God's method of assessment sticking
god panting to the world and meeting it
a lot of certain town and all all the
teachings on the earth are guided
violence aunty hands to the forum at
least when it comes he was being a big
acceptance misconception estate prices
lately prescribed by quite obvious in
tutorial Selma where says that was not
created human being he created them
include unique matter from the creation
of all other creatures he breezed into
Napoli install to he created them in His
image so all of these things to taste
idea of Satan human beings even though
their body the body we have their
striking resemblance to that case and
even though it's part of the same than
the human body is evolved from the
bodies of some little 8y creature that's
was not necessarily any sort of cosmic
equipped with religious but when it
comes to the other facets of human
heating the human family name is the
soul that for Judaism with a station
with sciences if you're going to be
balanced Logan said it we're not only
but a fortunately separate robin you
haven't say that God in some way had
some sort of our extreme or camp in the
greatest human being and that the lack
of a better word that would need to be a
soul that's examples in some way
image of God but everyone is my large we
could fit the holding in there biography
evolution so this design for the earth
it would appear it's been evolved into
that whatever is responsible human being
whether they have alternate no problem
is it or not except for the expiry of
elements of design in order to do that
in their way came from any other animal
the almond toe we were all the elements
of ability to recognize ourselves
awareness god awareness of our own
creation that is not a product of
evolution the matter regarding or
anybody ever documented other people say
that is not a product of evolution that
is a product of the hand of God whenever
there's a question of evolution comes
upon all reminded of a song that I've
heard enough in a movie that was showing
various churches in America and one
search of a of evangelical churches
young group was singing a song and the
song went something like this I'm milk
into the monkey in a moment no chains to
me I certainly get a queen of the truth
and certainly in the long history of
regenerated Darwin's theories there's
been antagonism tortoise and there
moorish ma something similar to a Meyer
is talking about interesting Pope John
Paul and his address to the Pontifical
Academy of Sciences said that evolution
is more than a theory and account and
can account for the physical dimensions
of human life which is pretty much less
cynical and my other saying but cannot
account for if the spiritual aspect of
being human trials doesn't address that
cracker it's not that it doesn't have
the tools talk about who doesn't want to
say is meant to do the Jesuits here we
are to show that in the early part of
this century try to recognize some of
that tension that very problem in your
relationship eccentric please science
particularly evolution and Christianity
actor category and he looked at
evolution and he said what do I see
people in the Big Bang a direction a
trust toward something as something that
that the drop is for days consciousness
he sees that there is a lot of
complexity consciousness at work in the
universe and we as things become more
and more complex that is more and more
individual things working together of a
bit of wine there is inevitably a march
towards very very consciousness until we
are on acting the human conscious
what they are see them is a geosphere
Easter of the Earth's biosphere here
life itself where there is a quantum
jump from the Animus things to survive
yourself and then an enormous jump to
what he calls the novel's here the whole
realm of the human mind their business
and he thistle as a scientist I see this
direction where are we going healthiest
evolution stop and he will say no this
law of complexity consciousnesses put in
English by God and the movement on the
next level of evolution is similar to
all those that would have before it is
now drawing together of all these moms
all these unions there is and souls into
unity into one this is is the vision
into this vision and dream and have
something that we are moving forward in
a tiny tiny bit by our composition I'm
always fascinated by capitulation to to
evolution on the part of religious
practitioners because I think that
probably no other ideas is more in
synthetic ille to the religious
traditions than
the idea of evolution as it's understood
by neo tolerance or da realist I think
that every spiritual tradition Martin
Ling said that every spiritual tradition
teaches the evolution not evolution that
people are actually getting worse not
getting better and this would be the
idea and most traditions of you know
Adam and then the fall of man that the
man has fallen from from come you know
from from paradise from the garden and
then what needs to take place in each
generation is a spiritual a position
which is vertical not horizontal it
isn't move back to God and this is the
challenge of every human generation in
terms of looking at the idea of
evolution I think it's important look at
in historical context I don't feel
qualified I think what we need to have
somebody that really could particul
eight this this talk and it's
unfortunate things been going on for
over a hundred years it really has it's
absurd almost but there are other
religious arguments that went on for
several hundred years before they were
finally kind of ironed out and and
that's why I can wait you know it might
not be in my lifetime but as a human
being I'm willing to wait because i just
given the nature of say Thomas Kuhns
ideas a serious scientific revolution is
that a theory is is populated and then
anomalies arise and those families are
either dealt with by the theory or they
result in attention within the
scientific community that necessitates a
new series to deal with the anomalies
and then anomalies arise again so within
the scientific community I mean you
could see quite clearly that each
generation of scientists believe that
they are at the cutting of truth the
19th century positions that were
leeching people and bleeding the people
to death were actually the men of
science of their age
they believed that this was the most
advanced thing that they could do and
yet a modern position of the looks of
that is is in deep shock at the
stupidity of it well I think probably a
hundred years from now if there are
physicians around they'll be in deep
shock about the stupidity of 20th late
20th century physicians as well so this
is the nature of the scientific
community it's always looking at the
previous generation and amazed at the
things that they've come up with and I
think the Darwinism is another it's
another one of these things that will
fall by the wayside I really do and I
don't think well just to look at it from
a philosophical point of views the
Assumption with Darwinism is at the idea
of continuity the continuity needs to be
explained well this is a Newtonian world
view because Darwin was living in the
world of Newton when you get into
quantum mechanics which is where we are
in the 20th century in fact constitute
continuity is not the assumption it's
discontinuity so you could look at
evolution or you can look at the
beginning of life and human condition
from the perspective of discontinuity as
a source of continuity and then you have
a whole other problem and you can arrive
at a completely different interpretation
of how we how we got to where we are and
where we came from because the quantum
physics allows for spontaneous emergence
and for the Muslims very spontaneous
emergence in creation that they're the
point when God says gunfire could be an
idiot simple as that so we do believe in
spontaneous and immediate generation of
life and we have no problems with that
and Muslims won't and I don't think any
Muslim to understand the photon will
capitulate to that because we believe
that Adam was a prophet and if you if
you think that Adam is some kind of
mythical figure or theoretical mythical
truth that's being presented as many
many Christians believe now from am
looking perspective you are outside of
the tail of Islam so for the most from
the idea that we began as a unicellular
I mean it's just very difficult for the
Muslims
we don't accept the idea that life
simply began and it's moving and that
there's this thing called nature right
which is the scientists word for God I
mean if you take nature and and put it
into most scientific books a lot of
believers wouldn't really have a problem
with the books the sizes are deeply
embarrassed of the word nature and this
is a word God which is related to the
historical context which darden within
if you look at the dorm with a man
deeply influenced by a philosopher David
Hume and David Hume did not believe that
there should be any religious
explanation for anything in existence
she felt of miracles there's no place
for miracles in science so let's not
explain things through miracles let's
explain things through what we can see
feel and touch and this is part of the
19th century attempt in science is to
explain things by removing God
completely from the picture and then see
what we come up with well if you remove
that from the picture yes you will come
up with theories like evolution but not
me macabre move from the picture you
know it's like the graffiti says you
know neat god is dead quote me chase
than 1,900 djs dead quote dog I mean God
is not some some things that we can just
brush aside for the hoodlum no God is
cruising other guys and you have to
listen to a god says and not this is
what our own egos and what our own those
who want to literally be thrown Johnny
from his majestic place of authority in
the universe and God for us is the
creator the fashion of the Quran says
products and the best and wasaga he is
the creator the originator and the
fashioner the judge fashions creation
and we believe the Prophet Muhammad once
saw a man who was boxing with another
man and he said avoid the faith because
he was created Adam was created on the
same form now this is a clear reputation
in our own tradition that the first man
was created in his own horn qualified
Adam out of quality it's very clear in
the air batang
and we cannot given that our puppet had
said that either the Providence is is as
many people would say he's either a
well-intentioned person who invented
this thing or he's interesting things or
he's a proper from God if he's a proper
from God then we have to accept that
what he's telling us is truth and it's
not metaphorical so we literally believe
that yes God didn't create now if you
want to say well how do you explain lucy
which is a skeleton that was found sixty
percent intact and eight features and
his team as a transitional skeleton
between the eighth period in momentum
well the client says that that God in
fact created ate some men the Quran says
that God said to certain people that
transfer out so greatly cool new kara
denwa kana dv8 and ticks and the
traditional Muslim in terrestrial
transmogrification it's literally took
place and given a lot of these a great
exigent was of the belief that that that
they still continue to procreate in
other words that they're our age that
are actually descendants of human and
not humans that are descendants of age
and this is some citizens reactions
believe it where I'm not ashamed of mine
I don't need to harmonize my believes
with whatever the latest scientific fact
is you know because each generation is
going to come along with the latest
theory and then I have to rework all of
my theology and rework I mean either
it's true or it's not true not all the
interesting some who has entered into
the Islamic state I'm not raising with
them but somebody's coming to say I am
either going to accept the thing and
then restructure my own belief around
the belief of Islam or I am going to
come into the faith with my own
preconceived beliefs and notion
and we can structure my my faith
according to whatever my preconceived
beliefs work so if I'm a scientist and I
can only be a Christian if my
Christianity is in complete harmony with
whatever the latest scientific theories
are things like that is never know I
can't accept that my faith is either
true or it's not true if it is true it
is consistent with the truth now to say
well it can be interpreted in that
pulpit wherever you stop where you stop
once we allow metaphor and allegory to
come in to the Quran very clearly says
some of the verses of this book are
metaphorical and others are clear and as
for the metaphorical ones those who have
deviation their hearts follow them and
as for those who are from do sticky
topics they follow the clear signs so
once you start turning all of your books
and tradition into metaphorical sign
that is the sign of deviation in the
heart that the heart is now interpreting
the book according to one's passions
according to one's own desire so the
Muslim I mean we have to say no we and
we don't end it interesting young up in
Europe Darwinism is literally on its way
out it's very strong in America because
it's become at the ideological level
it's taught as ideology it is thought of
fact it is not a fact it is a theory it
is a theory it is called the theory of
evolution and the theory can sound great
lobsters did that a lot of people don't
believe the poor humoral theory of
medicine anymore but at the time that it
was taught if you were a scientist you
have to believe in it and the great
physician in Europe who actually burns
the book of Hippocrates was considered a
complete heretics at that time his
name's not coming to me is very well
known and he wanted to upend
distribution of the old and say no we
have to go on so Hippocrates was
appearance and some of these theories
are correct and others are wrong but the
one of the sicknesses
of Western civilization was it took
these authorities as absolute truth and
when these authorities were completely
turned upside down it becomes
iconoclastic against all authority and
this is where we're at now I mean we
attacked all authorities but really what
we're tacking most often is the
authority of tradition and what we
celebrate and what we exalt ourselves in
is whatever the dominant thing now we're
in the modern world it's here and now
forget the past and Islam says no we
honor the past we honor the past and
Islam says that the task has great
wisdom to impart to us and what modern
Western tradition Thanos the past is
something let's just discard it let's
get rid of it so I think really it's
very unfortunate that so many imposes
just to make myself perfectly clear here
I don't in any way agrees with what is
known as the fundamentalist Christian
position which is called scientific
creationism I do not believe in that at
all and I think it's actually quite
absurd and I think I would have a very
difficult time in my face if my face
taught me to do so with 6,000 years old
my face was not teaching me that the
Quran said that God created the heavens
and earth in six days and it says 1
minus enamines old and we didn't get
tired in other words God doesn't get
worn out from doing if God is either
all-powerful or he's not I need to get
tired we're in bad shape because maybe
he'll get tired of putting up with all
that the move in the direction of
religious arrogance though let us recall
the very religious people who claims to
be going along the way the religious
truth
and following long long religious
traditions when they sanction slavery
over the century they'd accept all of
our traditions have done that certain
engaged in owning even being and
treating them as something less
consuming this ideas of the dignity of
all human beings took us a while to
demonstrate and so I think our religious
who's also developed are certainly
archaeology results our understanding of
what the text means develops I'm not
sure looking we have complete absolute
control understanding the text from
repeating each other then developed the
Atlantic do not let you not really going
to garden series because of the fact
that God is the creator and garden is
the ugly 14th was the fastener I think
Sebastian's are a fan of your work of
everything what I'm not here about is
two things 1i mentor what is the
conflict regarding the Creator in
fashion and evolution okay ever want
remember two reasons is there anything
specifically in the Quran himself that
precludes the theory of evolution after
that I my point was is that when we say
that we believe in adamant the first
human being and and his companion holla
or ease we believe that they were
created in that form in other words that
they were that God created them in that
form they were created in the form of
man and it is the dignified form it is
not an it is not a form that is is
the denigrate man in fact the Quran says
karramna bani adam' we have honored
Benny Adam and and one of the
interpretations traditional is that
Benny Adam walks upright one of the
interpretations is that Benny Adam was
given an opposable thumb that is
actually a classical interpretation that
the human being can have that God has
given us the ability to use our hands in
ways that animals don't have so we
believe that this form that we are on
use the form of Adam and the prophets
told us that the worst human being was
Adam and Adam had this form he did not
have the form of of an animal he had the
form of a human being which yes there
are aspects that we share with animals
but we are merely an animal we are
called in fact the earth Arabic or the
Muslim theologians called a Cylon not a
speaking animal which which is very
different from rational animal in the
Western sense but a speaking animals
that God has honored us with speech with
the ability to speak and and I think our
difficulty with evolution is that
evolution again at its most fundamental
level is eliminating the Creator and I
think a lot of people missed this point
although there are biologists who are
Christians are biologists who are Jewish
and and might believe that god yes God
is moving in mysterious ways the Pope
just recently announced that natural
selection was one of the ways that God
works in his creation for the
evolutionist who is really really deeply
rooted in evolution this is kind of
absurd because they actually feel that
there is random selection going on in
other words there's trial and error and
this is something really important with
in evolutionary theory you have to
believe in the concept of trial and
error that that God is somehow not
really a he's not a perfect creator you
know messing around he you know in fact
I talked cartoon one of the dinosaurs
and and there was a cloud up there and
the voice coming out of
cloud saying cool and it said God as an
adolescent right and this is the kind of
idea that I think a lot of evolutionists
have that somehow you know we the
appliances as a lot of a lesson of how
to paint blessed is God's the best of
creators the most perfect of groups and
then it says quite clearly in the pond
shut up not in sauna the acting in
Kathleen we have created the human being
in the best catcher now house itself is
the creation we believe that n and it
says in the pond that Adam a dissident
was fashioned by God that God formed
Adam and so this idea that you know
we're moving from a unit failure and
again like Bashar then who i think has
some really dangerous ideas in terms of
classical theology and one of the ideas
is this idea that we're moving towards
perfection is no us fear and and one of
his ideas is that that Christ actually
came at a point where we had reached in
our evolution and his second coming
would be at a point where we are at a
higher stage of evolution which i think
is very very antithetical to a
traditional theological position that
that is that we in fact are moving down
that things are getting worse that
Christ returns when there's a war than
rumors of wars and famines and false
prophets and all the rest that human
beings actually are in a much worse
condition now than they were a thousand
years ago or two thousand from a Muslim
perspect on speaking as a Muslim we
believe that we are getting worse we are
not getting better and evolution is
based on this idea of progress that we
are moving towards a better state note
the the Islamic position very clear we
are moving down and that the end of the
human being is complete degradation but
this is the final space of the last
people on earth and the Prophet Muhammad
said the end of time will not come until
no one is left to say God God and he
said in the end of time will not come
except upon the worst people the worst
human beings and we can see now in in
modern
Erica you know when pornography is is
the number one media in this country
when human beings have reached a level
of human degradation that was beyond the
pale for classical people really i mean
just extraordinary state of affairs all
of the exploitation is going on the
world i would contest that there is more
slavery and bondage now than there ever
has been in the history of human
societies I would contest that the
grossest and greatest abuses of human
beings are taking place in all over the
world you go down to South America you
go to Africa and look and many of these
places are places that the the so-called
religious people of those places
thinking about religious righteousness
our advisors in the government and
things like this so I have know that you
know religious people or
self-righteousness or religious
self-righteousness there is one of the
age-old diseases of the human being you
know waxing self-righteous about his own
religiosity right and certainly a
terrible state to be in so I you know I
think that that is really at the crux of
it is in my tapioca Matthew essentially
intent is that they sir are going to
just keep on getting worse boom we're
heading down and it's going fast and one
of the interesting things right if you
think about it you know it's one of the
modern phenomenon is speak everything's
speeding up we're all experiencing will
speed of the downward motion is not an
outward motion as things move up to
actually slow down right so when human
things are moving up things slow down we
start becoming more tranquil more
content know people are becoming more
anxious they're becoming more wired
right I mean we don't were not content
with 286 we want 386 now we want for it
now we want pentium now we want people
now this computer is to slow you know
this why can't this a fax machine work
faster what's going on I mean this is
and the problem concept and I get it to
a mini chef on speed is from Satan you
know so we would say that the ancients a
very very ancient people Abraham was
deeply deeply spiritually evolved
individual
in a tent according to islamic tradition
and yet we believe that he was probably
one of the most enlightened and
spiritually aware human beings that has
ever existed he was also interesting how
life began according to the plan because
he asked God show me how you bring life
from the dead and God says don't you
believe Abraham and Abraham system in
the pond I believe but in order to give
some stillness to my heart I want to
witness it and God showed him how he
brought something from in a dead
inanimate to life so he was a scientist
from a Muslim perspective Abraham was a
scientist but he was a scientist that
wanted his science to increase his faith
to increase his closeness to God and and
what I see happening in the in the
modern world is the science is
distancing us from God it is a false
prophet and I believe in many ways that
that science now is in fact it is a type
of Antichrist the it is a false god and
people are taking it as a false god and
it promises it promises us salvation and
it will betray us in the end and it
might well be our destruction concerns
that the bowling center I excitement