a position in which you're representing
his power because all power is God's so
in that type of situation how do you
behave and again the magnanimity that he
showed so that then he made his Hedorah
to Medina after 13 years of persecution
he makes this he general he attempted
you to go he was thinking about going to
Hajj up in Eastern Arabia he went to
different tribes asking them if they
would take him he was kind of Yahoo will
know about it he used to go and ask for
tribal protection none of them helped
him
and finally the house and the huzzah Raj
who were in a town called Yathrib and
these were two Yemeni tribes or Kalani
the Yemenis are divided into Hemi Aries
and Kalani's they were Kalani Yemenites
who left after the the famous dam broke
and many of the Yemenites went to syria
and different places they went to to
medina yesterday at the time and the
house and the Hazara zarba know allah
they were from the same ancestor so
they're actually one family but like the
Hatfields and the McCoys family's feud
and so they began to feud and and they
had allies from amongst the Jews so the
else had their allies in the huzzah Raj
had their allies and right before the
Prophet came they had a war called how
to bhagwath in which they fought each
other and and Pereda was involved and
Alberta was involved so the Jews used to
tell them you know there's a prophet
coming that's why we're here he's coming
to this city when he comes he's going to
get rid of all your idols and and they
used to hear this and one of the
intriguing aspects of the Arab in Medina
is that if
had a really sick child they would swear
an oath to God because they believed in
our laws the Supreme God it would swear
an oath that they'll raise it a Jew if
it lives and so there were there were
actually several Jewish Arab children in
Medina and that acara javi Dean was
revealed because some of them wanted to
force their children to be Muslim even
though they were Arabs who had raised
them as Jews because they had very high
regard for the Jews because they were
people of the book and they used to ask
them for things even though they didn't
convert to Judaism they would ask them
and so the the Piranha was revealed that
you can't compel them to convert to
Islam they they leave them in their
Judaism unless they want to convert to
Islam that's one of the as Bob that's
mentioned so there the the Jews in
Medinah
there were probably I mean these
estimates are hard but there were
probably around thirty thousand there
were more Jews and there were Arabs in
Medina and and the Jews had primarily
they were agriculturalists and they and
they controlled the soup and the no pay
no pot in particular had control over
the marketplace and so the Arab Jews and
the Jews who were farmers used to bring
their crops to the bend or pay no pot
and then they would they would buy them
and sell them in the marketplace to
Arabs that would come and then they were
also Goldsmith's and and money lenders
so these were the occupations so when
the first thing that the Prophet did was
he asked about the soup and they said
it's been your pay no class and he said
the Muslims should have their own soup
right so this is his economic foresight
and so he actually has set up a separate
market which obviously would have
angered Ben okay no Pat because they
would have seen that as breaking their
monopoly but that's what he did and his
soup was very interesting because it was
more like what we would call today a
flea market he did not allow anybody to
own a stall it was first-come
first-serve so you couldn't get like the
best play
and it was if you got there the earliest
you got the best place and so it was a
very egalitarian marketplace and so the
first thing he did was he built a soup
and he built the Masjid those were the
first two axud he did his first hota
which i will have been sanam the Jewish
rabbi heard he got everybody together in
Medina said yahan ass up shoo saddam
spread peace well up i am open and and
and feed food feed food well salud while
cielo are ham and maintain your kinship
bonds and that remember that's a deep
statement in relation to alison has
garage as well as the jews that were at
war with each other
maintain your kinship bonds don't fight
you're all related to each other
maintain those bonds well soluble a
Leigh Whannell Sunni young that's Hotel
generative is Salam and pray at some
portion of the night when people are
sleeping and you'll enter into paradise
with peace so it begins with peace and
it ends with peace as his first Hopa
begins with peace and it ends with peace
so in Medina he establishes the Masjid
and he in the marketplace and been open
open even though it entered into an
agreement begin to have talks with the
flourish and so this is the beginning of
the breakdown of of the sofa they have
and and they give them basically aid at
Badr and so they are expelled to he
allows them to take all of their wealth
and they went to to Hiva but it's
important to note at this time the
Prophet is very weak there's probably
less than 2,000 men that he has the Jews
were more powerful than he was and the
men okay nope I was expecting for a the
end of the earth to come to his aid and
they didn't which indicates that they
recognized that what they did was
breaking the treaty and the Jew many of
the Jews were very upright they were
they're honest people and they were
people of their word and the Prophet
mentioned that about especially mo Haiti
and others for afar and we know the
Arabs have a saying o famine Samoan more
trustworthy than Samoan more trustworthy
and Samuel who was the famous Jew that
would not give up the armor of
immigrants who left it as a trust with
him and actually lost his child because
of that and he's the famous poet jihad a
poet as well so these are the tribes the
Yehuda Ben Israel Benoit Marvin Jose de
Bono Duchamp been on a job bono Avenue
that inaba-san ABBA Majed it was from
that Abba in Philippi own this is a
Jewish tribe so Muslims only know the
the try and that should be sure play
about with a par Muslims only know the
the you know the three tribes but these
are all all Jews mentioned in the sofa
so there were many Jews in Medinah that
did not break their trust and you can
see the dominant tries Benny for a law
that should be a law not a ball and that
Bennett a nor back then in a beer and
and and then there was a this is later
right there were Medina was actually
protected by these lava tracks and
anybody who's ever seen the lava tracks
you cannot it's almost impossible to
walk on them they're they're quite
dangerous because they're very sharp you
can't take animals across and that's why
the trench was such a useful way of
protecting Medina because it Medina was
literally surrounded by in fact in
Arabic is called lava with a bow you
know it's like this Israeli lady
recently said you know Palestine doesn't
exist because the Arabs don't have a P
in their language
so they're not the V either they say so
lava is actually lava is the Arabic word
ball is fine so buffoon has a bead so
that'll work
so this is a very important event Imam
Shafi said l'm adam mo hadith and
Minetta in me the SIA and Norris ooh la
la la la anyway said I'm lemon Asura Ben
Medina T Radha and yahuda calf at and a
lady Jie Jie I know of no one from
amongst the people of prophetic
biography that differ that the Prophet
SAW lady sinem when he came to Medina he
entered into an alliance with all of the
Jews without jizya now at hazard or hood
beneath Alaba refused to go out because
they said it was sipped and the only one
that went out was mo Hajduk there were
two jews that fought at a hood and
mahalia was killed
mahalia there's a he laughs about
whether he became Muslim or not even his
Hawk says Aminah well I'm useless for
other valid ilayhi ill foodini
he believed in Allah but he didn't
become Muslim because he was just too
accustomed to his own religion but he he
told the Jews we made a promise to
defend the Prophet we should do it he
went out he fought he was actually
martyred and he left all of his property
with the Jews to give to the Prophet and
the first endowment in Islam came from
the wealth of Mahadev according to one
tradition and the Prophet said about him
o Haiti hyrulean he's the best of the
Jews and then you
graduated as absent a fifth year the the
Jews of high bar and high bar was a it's
right I think 60 kilometers from from
Medina around their high bar was an
agricultural Oasis where the Jews lived
and they worked and they had a lot of
date orchards there and they had they
they weren't United they had several
open and the open are these se hace
they're called in Iran these these
fortresses and bene no beer the
leadership of been out there who yebin
of Bob Keane Ana Nabi ribbon Michael
Pape they were in high bar stirring up
and convincing them that we need to get
the allied with the chorus with Fasano
with Papa fan and these Arab tribes in
the area of any flame and just deal with
this once and for all
so they actually amassed an alliance of
about 10,000 and they and and this is
what rasa in the fifth year and so they
march on Medina this really isn't a
battle it's a skirmish because they
never fight about ten people died all
together despite the fact they were
there for you know almost a month and
they begin to aim begins to sow
dissension amongst them but during that
time the the nobility leadership goes to
Benny Paraiba the leadership of any poor
Eva and initially the leadership of
being a parade that doesn't want to have
anything to do with it they actually
help dig the trench they didn't want to
be involved in treachery but they were
convinced by a even a knock pop that
we've got 10,000 people this is it they
the Muslims at the time only
three thousand men that's all and they
were not well armed and so they really
thought they could take care of it and
he could he was very convincing he was a
very powerful leader and he convinced
Cobb but I said a what ID to ally with
them and so this is the treasonous event
that occurs during the Battle of during
the skirmish of alasa and they really
wanted to annihilate the Muslims so this
was kind of a genocide 'el attempt at
ridding the peninsula of the Muslims and
so the Quraish leave about the fan
leaves all of the Arab tribes leave and
they're left with Benny parada are in
there open a handful of them actually
went out to fight now what happens after
that is very murky to me I've read
several accounts of it I went through
all the serie literature on it I read
for a comedy book I read kiss stars work
the Israeli historian which is a very
pretty serious piece of scholarship
arguing against Barca atmos book but I'm
still convinced that it's grossly
exaggerated the numbers and there's
nothing sound on that the only thing in
a body that started in more had said
that the mulatto should be killed and
that Eddie when lisa and surat al-ahzab
clearly says very contractor una FATA
what's your own effect I mean the Quran
is very clear that some people were
killed and some were taken captive that
did occur it's undeniable but the
numbers and if you look at the the event
it just doesn't smack it doesn't sound
all the prisoners were kept in the house
admit that hadith I asked a father who
knows all the houses of Medina inside
out because they were all very well very
well studied and I asked them how many
people could be held in a house like
that he said it's a small house maybe 10
and if you read also the idea of digging
a ditch in the middle of the marketplace
of Medina it just doesn't make sense
there's several things in that narrative
that I find really really problematic
but anyway it's there and I think I
don't think any numbers should be
mentioned because we just don't know and
Imam addict did not accept it miss hawk
as a Mahad myth he was not a mod he was
just student of Zoey
they actually chased him out of Medina
he's he's the source he did an
incredible service to his ammonite then
that goes undiminished but he was not a
solid source in hadith and the rigor of
mattock in particular is is
well-established Malik did not like to
use anything that smacked of a weakness
and so you know the numbers are
definitely problematic but what happens
then is that the Prophet goes and he
makes a salud idea and what's really
intriguing about this event is they go
to make Amara but they're not allowed to
make their own bra and they meet that
hudaibiya and and the the Quraish send
out a waft earth man goes in to speak
with them they send out a WA and they
have a they're going to debate about
what's going to happen so they they come
to some agreements but all of the points
the Prophet compromises literally every
single point
he's just compromised even muhammad
rasool allah they said we don't accept
that and he told the ally to erase it
and Adi said I can't do it that's the
the Sophia called that Maharaja to Dubya
it's like a
disobeying the Prophet out of a depth of
the Prophet like he just said I can't
erase it and so the Prophet said show me
where it is and he pointed to it and the
Prophet himself erased Rasool Allah and
just said this a agreement between
Muhammad and Abdullah and the Potters
because the core I said we don't accept
that so you said not a problem
get rid of it every single point the the
Sahaba were so distraught at this and
they said everybody wavered except elbow
buckle even OMA even a ha ha
he went to Abu Bakr and he said Ali
sorrow Salman
isn't he the Messenger of God what are
we doing why are we cut they all had
their weapons they were ready to fight
why are we compromising like this
Abu Bakr he grabbed him he said you know
he reminded him and just shook him to
his core the prophets eyes and went in
he asked him Sodom Oh what he should do
she said look cut your hair go out and
sacrifice just give them some sense of
closure on their pilgrimage so he did
that and then they saw that and they did
that and they felt better on the way
back enough attack netic of the ravine
that's what's revealed like this is a
big opening what's the opening
compromise in every situation the
opening was peace this is the first time
in the history of his message where he's
actually got peace because the Jews now
he goes to haibach and and he defeats
them at high bar and enters into a
treaty with them they promised that as
ab half the date harvest so he entered
into a treaty that they would take half
the date harvest or they could leave and
go to syria they choose they decided to
choose to stay so they entered into a
contract with them that there would be a
non-belligerent treaty treaty of
non-belligerent this the first time the
prophet has peace from here on from the
sixth year on all you see is people
becoming Muslim Zoe said that man Fuji -
Islam fatone Alberta who cannot out of
AMA men who know fact before this was
greater than this fact this is an
opening that was a peaceful opening
there was no fighting and it's called a
victory it was a non-violent victory and
this was the greatest
victory ii to the the opening of Mecca
which was also a non-violent victory so
the two greatest victories of the
Prophet were victories of non-violence
in the mechanical potato - s people
would fight every time they met phonemic
Eretz in whose honor when they finally
had peace what would be a third power
and they stopped fighting what a
Menendez ba-ba-boom ba-ba and people
felt safe from one another well tackle
Fatah Fowler though they meet and then
they'd start discussing fellow hadith
when Munez ER and debating felon
McCallum I hadn't been islami yakky
Bhushan in Halawa he so nobody that was
just talked to about Islam that had any
brains except that he would embrace
Islam after that what a defeat a nica's
entertain in those two years more people
became Muslim than in the previous 19
it's amazing so you know and then what
time is it okay I'm going to stop there
and maybe we'll finish this another day
yeah so I'll just leave some questions
because I have an interview that I have
to go to but if anybody has any
questions feel free to ask or comments
some may come relative item so at the
very beginning you mentioned that the
prophets of the laws are some told us
that Islam would only exist as a polity
for 30 years but and I'm wondering
whether that is a statement that you'd
recommend to us as like explaining to
people when they either look at things
in Islamic history or governments that
call themselves Islamic and are doing
things that are not following the Sunnah
of the Prophet awesome do you think that
that's something that non-muslims could
hear and understand and and give them a
little bit more wisdom as to how to
understand what's happening I mean I you
know I don't I don't know what people
are how people react there are so many
variables when you talk
to people background education I mean
the word in Arabic 450 laughs difference
of opinion is the word it's it's derived
from a word that has to do with
background califo what you leave behind
so he'll via is your background so he
laps come from different backgrounds you
know we're in you know Black History
Month I mean there's all these people in
America white people that say things
like you know why can't blacks just get
over it but they never define it like
500 years being stripped of your of your
heritage of your history of your name
being you know subjugated being treated
like animals they were actually
categorized as like livestock you know
and that went on until you know 1865 or
1863 with the Emancipation Proclamation
but it takes a hundred years to
legislate civil rights from that and
we're still not there we we don't have
an african-american as president there's
African Americans first lady if we have
a Kenyan American as president he's not
African American he's the East African
right from the Luo tribe to which in
Kenya he couldn't even get elected which
is pretty amazing right that's what
happened to his father his father went
back to Kenya he
there was no upward mobility because of
his tribal background that's part of the
problem in the in the Muslim world and
in Africa as well is that you know
families determined so much there's no
upward mobility there's no meritocracy I
mean the first thing a Syrian asks you
you know Bates mean which house are you
from and right when you tell them boom
you've been identified you know you're
either from a good family or from
another type of family and it doesn't
allow for upward mobility it doesn't
allow for meritocracy the Prophet tried
to eliminate all that stuff judge people
according to the content of their
character not according to their tribe
clan family wealth or lineage
that's how people should be judged so I
don't know you know I mean we have to
embrace the dark you know we have a
shadow in our religion there's every
religion you know dr. winter says that
the history of our religion is the
history of its ego and we tend to forget
that that there's there's a lot of
darkness in our history there's a lot of
beautiful things and in many ways in
terms of the pre-modern rug Muslims have
nothing to be ashamed of it's quite
stunning what they were able to
accomplish given the prevailing
attitudes in most parts of the world
many of the things that the Prophet
taught were the dreams of philosophers
and and they became common coin the
Muslims have always had racism but
they've never had a racism that
prevented somebody from eating with
another person they never had that type
of racism there's no history where they
would not put their hand in a plate that
had a white hand or a black hand in it I
mean they just didn't have that type of
racism so but we have a lot of dark
things in our history in our past and
and our religion our tradition has a lot
of horrible things that they're there
and they're in the books and I've read
them I've spent 30 years reading in our
tradition and I've seen stuff that
really bothered me but it's there and
and we have to deal with it but does it
represent the ethos or the spirit of
Islam or the spirit of the Prophet I
would argue that it doesn't and so it's
but then there's things that certainly
that happened at the time of the Prophet
that are very troubling for modern
people that's going to be undeniable
concubinage is something that modern
people cannot get their heads around at
all it's very very difficult for people
to grapple with that concept but that
was a prevailing concept not just
amongst Muslims but amongst most of the
civilizations of the of the pre-modern
world so and we certainly have types of
it now it's just criminal activity right
I mean there's probably more concrete
vintage today than at any other time in
human history
just it's not regulated it has no
there's no rights there's no so said I
work from shaken I think um when you
made mention of that mentality of those
that have this you know been to Islam
what maybe even in your opinion or an
approach that we can take now would be
to kind of change that well one of the
things is really interesting to me when
I read Arnold's book on the preaching of
Islam you know he he says that Muslims
were actively engaged in spreading their
religion until the end of the Khilafah
at late 19th century it just stopped
spreading it was very little done and I
just thought that was really interesting
that that Muslims always had
missionaries they were usually came out
of the Sufis I mean even even Tamiya
writes that the the mob today ah amongst
the Sufis did great service by spreading
Islam in places no one else wanted to go
to because they would go like to they
went to the Bogomils I mean Albania
became Muslim over centuries you know
the the Turks arrived there in the in
the 15th century but it took several
hundred years before they really and
there's still the Albania I don't know
they're so very nationalistic as a
people but but it took a long time Egypt
according to a hadith Blankenship who I
trust did not reach 50 percent for the
first 300 years it was mostly Christian
Syria did not reach 50 percent for the
first 500 years and the lúcia never
reached 50 percent there was always a
majority of Christians and so Muslims
have this fantasy that you know the
Muslims just showed up and everybody
said Allah Akbar la la la la it doesn't
work like that they they lived with
these people of different religions and
and they treated them sometimes well and
other times not so well and sometimes
better than other places treated
minorities and sometimes they did
horrible
so they're human and but overall you
know our our our tradition just I think
and the Prophet inculcated this in his
Sahaba he had an incredible tolerance
for for idiosyncrasies and bizarre
behavior and he really tolerated people
as they were and that's why he had some
crazy people around him that are clear
in the Sierra
he had jokesters like no Iman is a clear
jokester and the Prophet tolerated him
you know he went bottom all these gears
and brought him and then the man shows
up and he he said you know you owe me
some money to the Prophet he said why he
said no a man said that you were going
to pay for these yeah you know so and
and he allowed for different the one
thing that he really did not like was
religious extremism really bothered him
probably was very bothered by who do
even in a bat he did not like people to
do excessive better like too much
fasting too much he was very temperate
and moderate dhikr is another thing
doing a lot of Vicker but doing you know
the kind of he said Dada
Benny at FLE slam there's no monkey in
Islam so he was very wary of that he
didn't like extremism but you know when
we were at the conference in Marrakesh
and and the Imam at haramein was there
Abdul Fattah and he's one of the great
moonshee Dean of Morocco got up and sang
he sang and then and then Sam use of got
up and sang well one of the Christian
ladies from the Yvonne Jekyll tradition
she got up and she is burst into song
you know and I saw these Aruna in the
front were kind of like
yeah and I mentioned it later to Shahab
doll and he said honey honey any letter
saying he's just not uptight you know
it's just let people be who they are you
know as long as they're not like harming
or you know so anyway
Salam alaikum Sheikh Hamza can we hop
take one question from online yes here
in the back yeah and this is actually
related to something you just mentioned
but if you have any other remarks or
summary regarding the essence of what
took place in Marrakesh in terms of the
meeting but then he did the Declaration
which you know whereas the conditions in
various parts of the Muslim world have
deteriorated dangerously due to the use
of violence and armed struggle as a tool
for settling conflicts and imposing
one's point of view whereas this
situation has also weakened the
authority of legitimate governments and
enabled criminal groups to issue edicts
attributed to Islam but which in fact
alarmingly distort its fundamental
principles and goals in ways that have
seriously harmed the population as a
whole
whereas this marks the fourteen
hundredth anniversary of the charter of
Medina
a constitutional contract between the
prophet Mohamed Salah TM and the peoples
of Medina which guaranteed the religious
liberty of all regardless of faith
whereas hundreds of Muslim scholars and
intellectuals from over 120 countries
along with represent Islam Akande
international organizations as well as
leaders from diverse religious groups
and nationalities gathered in Marrakesh
on this date to reaffirm the principles
of the Charter and so we declare our
firm commitment to the principles
articulated in the charter of Medina
whose provisions contained a number of
principles of constitutional contractual
citizenship such as freedom of movement
property ownership mutual solidarity and
defense as well as principles of justice
and equality before the law and that the
objectives of the charter of Medina
provide a suitable framework for
national constitutions in countries with
Muslim majorities and the United Nations
Charter and
related documents such as the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights are in
harmony with the Charter of Medina
including consideration for public order
noting further that deep reflection upon
various crises afflicting humanity
underscores the inevitable and urgent
need for cooperation among all religious
groups we affirm hereby that such
cooperation must be based on a common
word requiring that such cooperation
must go beyond mutual tolerance and
respect to providing full protection for
the rights and liberties to all
religious groups in a civilized manner
that issues coercion bias and arrogance
based on all the above we hereby call
upon Muslim scholars and intellectuals
around the world to develop a
jurisprudence of the concept of
citizenship which is inclusive of
diverse groups such jurisprudence shall
be rooted in Islamic tradition and
principles of mindful global changes
urge Muslim educational institutions and
authorities to conduct a courageous
review of educational curricula that
addresses honestly and effectively any
material that instigates aggression and
extremism leads to war and chaos and
results in the destruction of our shared
societies and calling upon politicians
and decision makers to take the
political legal steps necessary to
establish a constitutional contractual
relationship among its citizens and to
support all formulations and initiatives
that aim to fortify relations and
understanding amongst the various
religious groups in the Muslim world we
call upon educated artistic and creative
members of our societies as well as
organizations of civil society to
establish a broad movement for the just
treatment of religious minorities in
Muslim countries and to raise awareness
as to their rights and work together to
ensure the success of these efforts we
call upon the various religious groups
bound by the same national fabric to
address their mutual state of selective
amnesia that blocks memories of
centuries of joint and shared living on
the same land we call upon them to
rebuild the past by reviving this
tradition of conviviality and restoring
our shared trust that has been eroded by
extremists using acts of terror and
aggression we call upon representatives
of the various religions sects and
denominations to confront all forms of
religious bigotry vilification and
denigration of what people hold sacred
as well as all speech that promotes
hatred and bigotry and finally affirm
that it is unconscionable to employ
religion for the purpose of aggressing
upon the
rights of religious minorities in Muslim
countries so that's that's the
declaration and and we had a Yazidi
there hoop yeah you know and he said to
me I spoke to him afterwards and he just
said listen no Benny our community
attributes this to Islam
you know he said we've been living with
Muslims for hundreds of years and the
the sabian said the same thing the Druze
said the same thing yeah so fact the
most painful cry came from the head of
the cities of Iraq you know so but it
was important you know they all shared
their the Christian we had the you know
the Christian Catholic Archbishop we had
the Cardinal sorry Cardinal from the
Catholic tradition with that the bishop
from the Palestinian church you know
also affirming that Muslims have treated
the Christians in in the Holy Lands well
for centuries I'm in a book I recently
read which I found fascinating are the
Syriac sources that really haven't been
looked at this the first time they've
been translated into English but
historically what what people did when
they looked at the Muslim the early
period like Fred Donner they looked at
the Byzantium sources but the Byzantines
were they were they were oppressing a
lot of these religious minorities but
when you look at the actual malachite
church and the Chaldeans and the
Nestorian church and the Jacob white
church and the amount of fissile Church
the stuff they say about Islam is
totally different like they saw them as
liberators and this is the greatest
thing that's happened to this region and
you know it's very different picture
that you get from the Byzantine sources
so anyway I have to go do this interview
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