Special Address (to Zaytuna College)

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#39;d start discussing fellow hadith

when Munez ER and debating felon

McCallum I hadn't been islami yakky

Bhushan in Halawa he so nobody that was

just talked to about Islam that had any

brains except that he would embrace

Islam after that what a defeat a nica's

entertain in those two years more people

became Muslim than in the previous 19

it's amazing so you know and then what

time is it okay I'm going to stop there

and maybe we'll finish this another day

yeah so I'll just leave some questions

because I have an interview that I have

to go to but if anybody has any

questions feel free to ask or comments

some may come relative item so at the

very beginning you mentioned that the

prophets of the laws are some told us

that Islam would only exist as a polity

for 30 years but and I'm wondering

whether that is a statement that you'd

recommend to us as like explaining to

people when they either look at things

in Islamic history or governments that

call themselves Islamic and are doing

things that are not following the Sunnah

of the Prophet awesome do you think that

that's something that non-muslims could

hear and understand and and give them a

little bit more wisdom as to how to

understand what's happening I mean I you

know I don't I don't know what people

are how people react there are so many

variables when you talk

to people background education I mean

the word in Arabic 450 laughs difference

of opinion is the word it's it's derived

from a word that has to do with

background califo what you leave behind

so he'll via is your background so he

laps come from different backgrounds you

know we're in you know Black History

Month I mean there's all these people in

America white people that say things

like you know why can't blacks just get

over it but they never define it like

500 years being stripped of your of your

heritage of your history of your name

being you know subjugated being treated

like animals they were actually

categorized as like livestock you know

and that went on until you know 1865 or

1863 with the Emancipation Proclamation

but it takes a hundred years to

legislate civil rights from that and

we're still not there we we don't have

an african-american as president there's

African Americans first lady if we have

a Kenyan American as president he's not

African American he's the East African

right from the Luo tribe to which in

Kenya he couldn't even get elected which

is pretty amazing right that's what

happened to his father his father went

back to Kenya he

there was no upward mobility because of

his tribal background that's part of the

problem in the in the Muslim world and

in Africa as well is that you know

families determined so much there's no

upward mobility there's no meritocracy I

mean the first thing a Syrian asks you

you know Bates mean which house are you

from and right when you tell them boom

you've been identified you know you're

either from a good family or from

another type of family and it doesn't

allow for upward mobility it doesn't

allow for meritocracy the Prophet tried

to eliminate all that stuff judge people

according to the content of their

character not according to their tribe

clan family wealth or lineage

that's how people should be judged so I

don't know you know I mean we have to

embrace the dark you know we have a

shadow in our religion there's every

religion you know dr. winter says that

the history of our religion is the

history of its ego and we tend to forget

that that there's there's a lot of

darkness in our history there's a lot of

beautiful things and in many ways in

terms of the pre-modern rug Muslims have

nothing to be ashamed of it's quite

stunning what they were able to

accomplish given the prevailing

attitudes in most parts of the world

many of the things that the Prophet

taught were the dreams of philosophers

and and they became common coin the

Muslims have always had racism but

they've never had a racism that

prevented somebody from eating with

another person they never had that type

of racism there's no history where they

would not put their hand in a plate that

had a white hand or a black hand in it I

mean they just didn't have that type of

racism so but we have a lot of dark

things in our history in our past and

and our religion our tradition has a lot

of horrible things that they're there

and they're in the books and I've read

them I've spent 30 years reading in our

tradition and I've seen stuff that

really bothered me but it's there and

and we have to deal with it but does it

represent the ethos or the spirit of

Islam or the spirit of the Prophet I

would argue that it doesn't and so it's

but then there's things that certainly

that happened at the time of the Prophet

that are very troubling for modern

people that's going to be undeniable

concubinage is something that modern

people cannot get their heads around at

all it's very very difficult for people

to grapple with that concept but that

was a prevailing concept not just

amongst Muslims but amongst most of the

civilizations of the of the pre-modern

world so and we certainly have types of

it now it's just criminal activity right

I mean there's probably more concrete

vintage today than at any other time in

human history

just it's not regulated it has no

there's no rights there's no so said I

work from shaken I think um when you

made mention of that mentality of those

that have this you know been to Islam

what maybe even in your opinion or an

approach that we can take now would be

to kind of change that well one of the

things is really interesting to me when

I read Arnold's book on the preaching of

Islam you know he he says that Muslims

were actively engaged in spreading their

religion until the end of the Khilafah

at late 19th century it just stopped

spreading it was very little done and I

just thought that was really interesting

that that Muslims always had

missionaries they were usually came out

of the Sufis I mean even even Tamiya

writes that the the mob today ah amongst

the Sufis did great service by spreading

Islam in places no one else wanted to go

to because they would go like to they

went to the Bogomils I mean Albania

became Muslim over centuries you know

the the Turks arrived there in the in

the 15th century but it took several

hundred years before they really and

there's still the Albania I don't know

they're so very nationalistic as a

people but but it took a long time Egypt

according to a hadith Blankenship who I

trust did not reach 50 percent for the

first 300 years it was mostly Christian

Syria did not reach 50 percent for the

first 500 years and the lúcia never

reached 50 percent there was always a

majority of Christians and so Muslims

have this fantasy that you know the

Muslims just showed up and everybody

said Allah Akbar la la la la it doesn't

work like that they they lived with

these people of different religions and

and they treated them sometimes well and

other times not so well and sometimes

better than other places treated

minorities and sometimes they did


so they're human and but overall you

know our our our tradition just I think

and the Prophet inculcated this in his

Sahaba he had an incredible tolerance

for for idiosyncrasies and bizarre

behavior and he really tolerated people

as they were and that's why he had some

crazy people around him that are clear

in the Sierra

he had jokesters like no Iman is a clear

jokester and the Prophet tolerated him

you know he went bottom all these gears

and brought him and then the man shows

up and he he said you know you owe me

some money to the Prophet he said why he

said no a man said that you were going

to pay for these yeah you know so and

and he allowed for different the one

thing that he really did not like was

religious extremism really bothered him

probably was very bothered by who do

even in a bat he did not like people to

do excessive better like too much

fasting too much he was very temperate

and moderate dhikr is another thing

doing a lot of Vicker but doing you know

the kind of he said Dada

Benny at FLE slam there's no monkey in

Islam so he was very wary of that he

didn't like extremism but you know when

we were at the conference in Marrakesh

and and the Imam at haramein was there

Abdul Fattah and he's one of the great

moonshee Dean of Morocco got up and sang

he sang and then and then Sam use of got

up and sang well one of the Christian

ladies from the Yvonne Jekyll tradition

she got up and she is burst into song

you know and I saw these Aruna in the

front were kind of like

yeah and I mentioned it later to Shahab

doll and he said honey honey any letter

saying he's just not uptight you know

it's just let people be who they are you

know as long as they're not like harming

or you know so anyway

Salam alaikum Sheikh Hamza can we hop

take one question from online yes here

in the back yeah and this is actually

related to something you just mentioned

but if you have any other remarks or

summary regarding the essence of what

took place in Marrakesh in terms of the

meeting but then he did the Declaration

which you know whereas the conditions in

various parts of the Muslim world have

deteriorated dangerously due to the use

of violence and armed struggle as a tool

for settling conflicts and imposing

one's point of view whereas this

situation has also weakened the

authority of legitimate governments and

enabled criminal groups to issue edicts

attributed to Islam but which in fact

alarmingly distort its fundamental

principles and goals in ways that have

seriously harmed the population as a


whereas this marks the fourteen

hundredth anniversary of the charter of


a constitutional contract between the

prophet Mohamed Salah TM and the peoples

of Medina which guaranteed the religious

liberty of all regardless of faith

whereas hundreds of Muslim scholars and

intellectuals from over 120 countries

along with represent Islam Akande

international organizations as well as

leaders from diverse religious groups

and nationalities gathered in Marrakesh

on this date to reaffirm the principles

of the Charter and so we declare our

firm commitment to the principles

articulated in the charter of Medina

whose provisions contained a number of

principles of constitutional contractual

citizenship such as freedom of movement

property ownership mutual solidarity and

defense as well as principles of justice

and equality before the law and that the

objectives of the charter of Medina

provide a suitable framework for

national constitutions in countries with

Muslim majorities and the United Nations

Charter and

related documents such as the Universal

Declaration of Human Rights are in

harmony with the Charter of Medina

including consideration for public order

noting further that deep reflection upon

various crises afflicting humanity

underscores the inevitable and urgent

need for cooperation among all religious

groups we affirm hereby that such

cooperation must be based on a common

word requiring that such cooperation

must go beyond mutual tolerance and

respect to providing full protection for

the rights and liberties to all

religious groups in a civilized manner

that issues coercion bias and arrogance

based on all the above we hereby call

upon Muslim scholars and intellectuals

around the world to develop a

jurisprudence of the concept of

citizenship which is inclusive of

diverse groups such jurisprudence shall

be rooted in Islamic tradition and

principles of mindful global changes

urge Muslim educational institutions and

authorities to conduct a courageous

review of educational curricula that

addresses honestly and effectively any

material that instigates aggression and

extremism leads to war and chaos and

results in the destruction of our shared

societies and calling upon politicians

and decision makers to take the

political legal steps necessary to

establish a constitutional contractual

relationship among its citizens and to

support all formulations and initiatives

that aim to fortify relations and

understanding amongst the various

religious groups in the Muslim world we

call upon educated artistic and creative

members of our societies as well as

organizations of civil society to

establish a broad movement for the just

treatment of religious minorities in

Muslim countries and to raise awareness

as to their rights and work together to

ensure the success of these efforts we

call upon the various religious groups

bound by the same national fabric to

address their mutual state of selective

amnesia that blocks memories of

centuries of joint and shared living on

the same land we call upon them to

rebuild the past by reviving this

tradition of conviviality and restoring

our shared trust that has been eroded by

extremists using acts of terror and

aggression we call upon representatives

of the various religions sects and

denominations to confront all forms of

religious bigotry vilification and

denigration of what people hold sacred

as well as all speech that promotes

hatred and bigotry and finally affirm

that it is unconscionable to employ

religion for the purpose of aggressing

upon the

rights of religious minorities in Muslim

countries so that's that's the

declaration and and we had a Yazidi

there hoop yeah you know and he said to

me I spoke to him afterwards and he just

said listen no Benny our community

attributes this to Islam

you know he said we've been living with

Muslims for hundreds of years and the

the sabian said the same thing the Druze

said the same thing yeah so fact the

most painful cry came from the head of

the cities of Iraq you know so but it

was important you know they all shared

their the Christian we had the you know

the Christian Catholic Archbishop we had

the Cardinal sorry Cardinal from the

Catholic tradition with that the bishop

from the Palestinian church you know

also affirming that Muslims have treated

the Christians in in the Holy Lands well

for centuries I'm in a book I recently

read which I found fascinating are the

Syriac sources that really haven't been

looked at this the first time they've

been translated into English but

historically what what people did when

they looked at the Muslim the early

period like Fred Donner they looked at

the Byzantium sources but the Byzantines

were they were they were oppressing a

lot of these religious minorities but

when you look at the actual malachite

church and the Chaldeans and the

Nestorian church and the Jacob white

church and the amount of fissile Church

the stuff they say about Islam is

totally different like they saw them as

liberators and this is the greatest

thing that's happened to this region and

you know it's very different picture

that you get from the Byzantine sources

so anyway I have to go do this interview

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