Islamic Theology 2013

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then you don't reflect that if

other people reflect that there's

nothing you can do about that other than

be a true witness to somebody who is not

a racist or who's not a and and just

watch yourself because we all have it

I mean there's people you know there's

been sociological studies of white

people in this culture where they had

had them interview different people with

the same degrees and everything and but

there have a black and Hispanic and a

white and they would their syntax would

change when they when they were talking

with the black people their syntax would

change because there's just sociological

assumptions that are really hard to

break in people so racism is very subtle

and it manifests in a lot of different

ways and and everybody's carrying around

baggage and everybody's had their time

at being on top you know

the blacks have been on top in human

history you know the Arabs were on top  and him in history the whites were on the bottom for a long time and the Irish still are so you know their time will come George Bernard Shaw said I want to be in Ireland when the end of time comes because everything happens fifty years later in Ireland.

It's time for Isha I think



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what I never had an Italian and I handle

the the subject of tawheed is probably

the single it is the single most

important subject for Muslims to to have

some level of knowledge of I've been

accused of saying that you can learn to

heed in 10 minutes and I think I'll

explain what I meant by that basic

tawheed is is very simple a person can

say la ilaha illallah muhammad rasool

allah and there there Muslim because

Laila hey Lala can be explained very

quickly what exactly it means Lam Abood

be happen Sawalha there's nothing in

reality worthy of worship except Allah

lamb Abood and be happen there's nothing

worshiped in truth except Allah

Leila Heil Allah there is no God except

Allah there's no God except the one true

God that basic understanding is that's

how you get into Islam so from that

point of view it's very quick that's why

there's a Sahabi that said Shahada

that's all he did he did never prayed or

fast it and he went into a battle and he

was killed and he's saying

was for being the Sahabi that died and

went to paradise with her without ever

having prayed or fasted but he said

lately a lot now the Arabs the

pre-islamic Arabs knew Arabic so they

knew what Len if he legends meant like

they didn't have that term for it that's

a grammatical term that came later but

they knew when you have la followed by

an era that's mom soul but they didn't

have those terms either those are

grammatical terms but but they knew what

it was they knew when you have a Fatah

even though they didn't called maan soup

they knew LAN la illaha not la la una

because that changes the meaning that

Eli own la ilaha Neffe little Jin's

negates anything of what follows Allah

is most Athena it's an exception so in

the in the fundamental creed of Islam

you have a negation and an affirmation

the first thing children learn to do is

negate that's why they say let the first

word most kids learn that no because

negation is part of asserting something

one way to assert something is to negate

but the affirmation which follows

negation is done through an exception so

there is no God except Allah and Allah

subhanAllah Dianna the word Allah is a

Semitic word the the Hebrew said l-like

jibra eel eel Elohim is from the same

root yellow which is the Aramaic yellow

was the only Aramaic that's left in the

gospel is Eloi Eloi Lema Lema

sabachthani and that's the only thing in

the gospel from that language which was

probably the language that a scientist

and him spoke so Allah is a proper name


a loss of hand with data so when we wait

when we embark on to ahed there are

certain prerequisites the first thing

people here in Charlotte are what are

called to lobulated seekers of knowledge

and seeking knowledge is one of the

highest things that you can do the

prophets Eliza time said at Bath manhood

you had to seek knowledge is actually

jihad and he also said that with a

character who just doing what Accra is

to SPEA it's like saying subhanAllah so

when you're actually reviewing your

classes your notes and things that is

dhikr of Allah subhana WA Ta'ala and the

Prophet said in the memory to my lima I

was only sent to teach people and he's a


he also said Salah why he said I'm that

more a luminous I'll hire the people

that teach people good get the reward of

the people they teach what am class

women many lethality and it doesn't

diminish from the ward of the one doing

it and that's why that that goes on

until the end of time so if everything

that every Muslim has ever done of good

goes back to the prophets Elias and

because they do it with that Nia and the

Prophet taught them Nia the Prophet

taught us will do he taught us prayer he

taught us to heed he taught us all these

things so everybody that's ever learned

that until the end of time has that

reward goes back to the Prophet SAW time

it goes back to the teachers and one of

the blessings of this tradition is the

chain of narration the chain of

transmission that people learn things

based on these chains so we're all links

in the chain and whoever's teaching

something that's learned it from a

teacher who learned it from a teacher

who learned it from a teacher goes back

to like in the case of this book Imam

Ali's book it goes back to Imam at the

Howey but Imam to how we learned

from his mother woman mezzanine Omaha

via Omaha we Iman Meza nice sister she's

also called hooked and Elmo's any and he

learned from his uncle amendment was any

one of the great Japanese scholars and

imam moussa he learned from Imam Shafi

imam shafi'i learned from imam malik

imam addict learned from Nana I learned

from even Omar even omar learned from

The Messenger of Allah so the chain

even among how he the chain is unbroken

it all goes back to the prophets Elijah

them so that that's the blessing of the

is net the prophets Allah serum also

said that in al Maleh Akata latardo as

neha Taha Leah palpable in real on beam

is now that even the Angels put their

wings down for the seeker of knowledge

out of joy for what they're seeking

seeking knowledge the Prophet Elias Adam

also said that man palpable Elma man

terrible Elma Paulo para but memorable

and Melinda he tell Jenna to fear Allah

be he woman palpable marcia tov an ROV

therapy he you know that if you if

you're seeking knowledge paradise is

seeking you if you're seeking knowledge

for allah's sake and if you're seeking

disobedience the fire is seeking you and

the prophets allah i am also the quran

tells us Pharaoh ala decree in

contemplate our Moon as the people knows

if you don't know and knowledge is there

are different types of knowledge one of

one one of the basic aspects of

knowledge which is it's not dialogical


didactical you the didactic that you

there's information somebody studies

grammar then they teach grammar it's

something you learn so in the Zaidan

baba i'm

you know that that's if we're going to

parse that sentence you have to learn

what in that is what it does to a noun

like Zaidan so it's Munsell because of

in and then you learn baba is a feral

and it's moving on the Fatah because

it's a feral Molly and then you learn

that Imran is Munsell because this

mother gonna be that's that's something

that you learn and that needs to be

taught there's not a lot of discussion

you can ask questions like why did

they'd hit alma and you can ask that

question i actually told the mufti of

egypt that the problem in the arab world

is not going to stop until they change

their grammatical sentences that they

teach little kids because it's always

eight hit dhamma and you know I said in

the West we've gotten you know Dixie's

Jane which is another problem you know

but anyway so the that's a knowledge you

know and either you know it or you don't

know it this as simple as that

and so it's information now in in

al-qaeda there's certain information now

you can read it in a book like that book

there that is the Creed of Imam Appa

Howie that book you can read the book

and you might have questions and if

you're clever you know you can

understand quite a bit of it maybe all

of it and you might understand it better

than the person that translated it

that's possible so but there is a

blessing in studying with this chain

there's a blessing we believe that and

and that's part of what this tradition

is about so you can learn from books but

there's always a blessing to go through

that now at a certain point especially

with students it's good to have more

that Kaaba which is where you actually

discuss things that you're learning and

because mother Kara is a way that real

questions begin to emerge because at

biological approach to knowledge is

actually a lot better than the didactic

approach when you discuss things you get

quite a bit out of discussion so it's

very important to recognize that that

this isn't just a dump you know that you

you come and you're empty vessels and

you get filled up these things their

meanings that you need to interact with

to make them real for you so that it's

not just information and and it's

important to to think about these things

and not just to take things all of you

here almost all of you I think are

adults and you know the religion is not

real if it's not based on on a real

belief and our religion has never shied

away from questions you know it's one of

the beauties of the religion is that no

scholar ever said you can't ask that as

far as I know that there are certain

things that you know come from arrogance

and from other things that's another

thing but genuinely if somebody is

generally trying to understand something

then there's usually answers now some

things and particularly with when you

get into tawheed when you're talking

about the essence of God there's real

limitations because of the nature of

language so that's that's also

understood that this is about language I

mean the book of imam at the Howey is a

book of words it's words and the words

are about God and God is the ineffable

God is what we really can't articulate

and language fall short of speaking

about God so before we get into that I

want to preface this by what are called

the Madadi in Nevada a co-defendant

ishara al had the one mobile summit

amara that the the foundation of all

knowledge is the the foundational

principles of every knowledge are 10

there's 10 foundational principles of

every knowledge

and before you start into that knowledge

it's good to know those foundational

principles the first one is called a

head which in our in the English

language we call that a definition it's

important to know the definition of what

you're studying now a definition and in

logic is something that gets to the

essence of a thing when you define

something you have to define it

essentially and a definition should be

inclusive and exclusive it should be

include everything that that thing is

and should exclude everything that it

isn't that's that's a real proper

definition so you know to give me an

example of this the logician say that a

human being is a rational animal human

beings are animals but they're rational

animals and that is a definition because

it gets to the essence of what a human

being is to be human is to be an animal

but also to be rational to be sapien

shal to be an animal that has intellect

the ability to reason other animals

don't have that so it excludes the

irrational it excludes the the animals

that are in an instinct that are working

on instinct and and then you have the

the mold WA which is the subject matter

what that thing is about and then you

have the thumb rot which is the fruit

what's the benefit of that thing well

fun little hole and then you have the

the virtue of that thing why that thing

should be learned because not all

knowledge should be learned there's some

knowledge --is that are superfluous

there's some knowledge --is that are a

complete waste of time

um there's you know astrology is a

knowledge it's a you can study astrology

and it's a knowledge but it's a waste of


alchemy is a type of knowledge also it's

a waste of time

so there our knowledge is out there and

that's why the Prophet said Allah

homogeneous arukadhimon nephew and you

know I ask you for beneficial knowledge

knowledge that benefits me benefits me

because information there's a lot of

information out there but a lot of

information is a complete waste of time

and I think most of us are filled with

trivia that I personally would like

those parts of my brain that have been

occupied by that trivia back but it's

it's something that unfortunately you

know we're stuck with that like

commercial jingles that you can never

get out of your head I mean I watched a

woman literally dying of lung cancer

saying a Chesterfield jingle which was

an old kind of cigarette back in the 40s

or something and she was cursing she

said those liars and she was literally

dying you know in the hospital but she

had that jingle that she heard when she

probably first starts smoking cigarettes

so there's a lot of things that we know

that are just unfortunate but this is

not I mean this is an incredibly

fruitful thing and so knowing it's

virtue is knowing why it's worthy of our

time and our consideration when is

spittoon and then knowing what what what

it's what it's relates to you know what

in other words what it's associated with

what a while there and who is the first

one that made that science what is

smallest him dad or hook Machado and

then to know its name because every

knowledge has an name or it has several

names to know its esteem dad is to know

what that knowledge is deriving its

principles and its facts or its opinions

because there's knowledge is opinion

also it's not just fact sound opinion

and what it's deriving them from what

are the sources of that knowledge

distant that walk machete and to know

the legal ruling of that knowledge to

know the legal ruling what is the ruling

of that knowledge is it for dying

is it for casaya and then we'll Masato

Bardo who bid bobby Activa and then to

know the mesial so the subject is what

it's talking about the mesial are the

details of of those things what it's

investigating so and then in other words

the topics because it is between subject

and topic so the mesial are the topics

and then he says Minh has a man Daryl

Jim yang has a sharafa if you know all

these things then you've attained an

honorable rank so anyway that's those

are called the my body and eye shadow so

in terms of tawheed the the definition

of it is it is the science that

investigates the nature of God and the

nature of prophecy and the nature of

eschatology in other words the last

things so it it it looks at the nature

of God the magia of God the nature of

prophets and and what are called the

summit yet those things that have been

revealed and the end and relate to the

unseen matters that we don't really know

about and then the subject matter of the

is the subject matter is the the the

essence of God the attributes of God and

the the essence of prophets and the

attributes of prophets and then the the

articles of faith and the Kitab you know

which is part of that and then the the

fit or the virtue the benefit the FATA

of it is that it protects you from

having mistakes in your understanding

about allah subhanaw taala

for instance there are people that think

that the universe is eternal and inta

heed the the quran is very clear that a

las pedir ASIMO at the up he originated

the heavens in the earth without any

prior pattern that's what vidya means an

originator that is working that is

bringing something into the world

without any prior pattern on a lady myth

had in mu Spock and then he's also

called father Usama at Ewood autumn the

one who brought forth the heavens in the

earth he's horrible somehow at you but

all he's he's al baddie he's in more so

well so the hot up is the one that

brings it into existence out of nothing

the baddie is the one that fashions it

and then the misawa is the one that

forms it into the forms that it takes

so the Allah subhana WA Ta'ala has

formed creation for instance the there's

people that that deny design which is

pure it's that is co far like to deny

design is co far this is as simple as

that if you say there's this is all

randomness and there's no real design

here that that is the essence of it's

such a denial of what is so clearly

obvious no matter what mechanisms are

being used to bring about the forms that

exist in the world the idea of denying

design that there is design here and

design necessitates a designer so the

benefit of tawheed is to know

the the correct things about God and

about the prophets so to know for

instance that the prophets are

impeccable they don't they don't there's

a difference of opinion about whether

they can do minor sins what are called

venial sins in Christianity there's a

difference of opinion but the dominant

thing is is that they don't even do that

that there's and and this is why there's

a extensive literature in our tradition

explaining all of the things that appear

to be peccadilloes or appear to be minor

infractions of the of the prophets

you'll find that in the literature

explaining like that Ibrahim a DCM did

not lie when he said you know the big

one did it because he used his thumb

pointing with his thumb things like that

I mean sometimes you know they they go

to quite interesting links to prove that

point but DM the idea of the prophets

doing anything major is absolutely

completely unacceptable so learning that

into heat learning also what a prophet

is like the nature of a prophet learning

that the prophets can get sick but they

can't have illnesses that would make

them abhorrent to the people that they

were sent to so for instance Ayub in the

Islamic tradition job his illnesses are

not illnesses that the people were

disgusted by they were actually internal

sicknesses the people couldn't see them

not those are how that's one aspect of

and and but the greatest benefit of all

is that toe heed is when you understand

you have theory and practice when you

understand real toe he'd theoretically

for instance that allows annually may

you deed he does whatever he wants

that Allah subhanAllah

cannot oppress his servants because of

the nature of servanthood and the fact

that we are part of the Dominion of God

that the human being is created by God

and and and and Allah subhana WA Ta'ala

has complete and utter and absolute

property rights over the human being

it's his MOOC and you are man Luke you

know you're a possession of God and so

whatever God wants to do to you if he

wants to give you the worst disease

imaginable Allah you know God forbid

that it's not wrong God can do whatever

he wants he can give you a joyous life

he can give you a miserable life Allah

can do whatever he wants and that is the

transcendent God you know that that's

the God that is frightening it's the

dhul Jalal you know it's the god of

Jalal it's the God of tsunamis it's the

God of Holocaust it's the god of fire

it's the God of of cancer it's the God

that you know takes little children from

their loving parents that that is the

the that is that is an aspect of God and

we're in submission to that aspect of

God to the best of our ability because

that's part of God's nature but he's

also little generally will a Crom he's

the god of immense blessing he's the god

of overflowing bounty and and he's the

god who hides his bounty in his terror

he's a God who hides his blessings in

his tribulations and so learning those

things helps us deal with the

vicissitudes of time with the calamities

of our lives with the difficulties and

then finding out for instance that the

prophets have the greatest tests because

nobody whoever loses a child can can

feel anything but consolation when they

learn that the Prophet Ison buried all

of his children except for one so the

best of creation had all of his children

taken from him and yet he never

complained even though he wept he wept

when he lost his children we know that

is in the Hadees but he never complained

and he said God does not take you to

account for your eyes in other words for

your grief but he takes you to account

for what you say like why did God do

this to me so that's one of the benefits

is learning the the theory and then

beginning to exercise the theory in the

laboratory of life because this science

is really about being out there in the

world and it's the the father the virtue

of the science has the highest it's the

highest of Sciences some of the elements

a ship is over but because focus how you

worship Allah

but till he'd generally is considered to

be the highest I mean the mythically

moon in the fokaha debate on this but

because the thai look of this science in

other words the relationship is with the

nature of god and that is the highest

thing that humans can conceive of it has

the highest virtue so this is the fact

the Nisswa is to the enormous area it's

it's it's related to the sciences of

Islam of Islamic law and it's part of of

that science the water the one who who

formulated this science is first and

foremost we believe it's allah subhanaw

taala through the Quran because the

Quran is a revelation that tells us

about the nature of God it tells us that

Fadiman who la ilaha illaallah you know

know that there's no god but allah you

know Allah subhana WA Ta'ala tells us

who Allah who I had know that God is one

he tells us that he is the creator of

the heavens of the earth

he tells us that

that that he is carnival by daddy that

he is in complete control and overwhelms

his servants with his idea he tells us

he's a lion that he's the sustainer of

the heavens and the earth so much of the

Piranha Clara t'v is about God if you

ever have a red-letter Quran that has

the names of Allah in red you can see

how much of the Quran is about a lot of

behin over to Anna and in essence it's

all about a lots of behind Matata

because even when it's about the

prophets and there's tribulations it's

still about the call to Allah Subhan

Allah Tala

so knowing that it is it's it's a it is

formulated by God himself in the Quran

but then it's also the prophets lyceum

is the one that gave us this so by Maj

as this is by not in reality because in

reality God is the one that gave us the

knowledge of his nature but he the means

is the prophets lies in him and then by

extension if the the the great

formulators of this science are are

really three three men but hasn't had a

shoddy is one of them and he is a fourth

century scholar who was one of the great

moretz light scholars and then he made

Toba from that and he became the great

advocate of the what's called a

hallucinogen which i'm going to get into

in a moment but albert hasanat ashati is

a very maligned scholar of late

historically he was recognized by

everybody as being one of the great

imams i mean even even Tamiya is very

clear in his praise of abu hassan at

ashati so when people attack the HIDs

today it's very odd for people that know

the islamic tradition

to hear that it doesn't mean that there

there weren't groups that were opposed

historically but they were never in

numbers large enough to really warrant

any you know serious consideration and

then the other one is a woman sort of

Matthew DD who was in what's now

Afghanistan he was from there and they

were living at approximately the same

time and then the third one is is

probably Imam at the Howey

now generally and what I was taught by a

lot of my teachers was that the the

people of how are the UH shaadi in the

Matuidi and and and everybody else's is

off but I think it's undeniable that

there is a third group of people that

are the thirty people and and I think

it's it's important to acknowledge that

because it's not really fair to isolate

that group and say that somehow they're

not part of the tradition because they

are and one of the great examples of

that is given a blood bottle and the

onnum of the Marathi alone very few of

them were uh shot ease it was called the

oboe bucket had been an auto be who

brought the ashati meth-head to Morocco

and to and Lucia but prior to that they

were more a thirty in their approach and

they tended to really not like as what

what is termed sometimes in English

speculative theology or column so

dialectical theology but it's important

to distinguish between the Etheria who

are the people of a thought and stick to

the the text without really bringing in

what are called the octet or the

rational sciences to buttress the the

the theology those people were not moja

sima they were not literalists they were

not people that thought

that certain verses in the Quran were to

be taken literally they understood those

verses did not mean what what they

outwardly were saying but they were not

going to say what they meant they really

left it to Newt Minow Bajada Murad Allah

we believe in him according to what God

says about them and that is also a

position within the ashati and the

maturity the schools also so that's not

just the earth ADIZ but that is the

early scholars and some of the later

scholars from those schools so when we

study Creed we have to understand that

Creed develops out of problems when the

Prophet slicing them came he was not a

theologian in that he didn't come with

this systematic theology he came with a

truth about God that God is one and the

proton has a theology in it but the

Prophet SAW I sent him did not bring a

type of creed that's formulated the way

they are now this came later and the

Sahaba were people that were in such a

powerful experience 'el Islam they were

living these truths they were Imam Adi

all of the Ilan who said that I never

saw anything but except that I saw God

before it after it and in it in other

words that he was witnessing the a file

of God you know the acts of God in

creation the idea that no leaf falls

without the knowledge of God so being

aware of God in that way in a very real

presence that was very much how these

people were and so they weren't going to

debate things and and they just weren't

interested in that

so when when the Muslims came up against

the Christians who had a very profound

theological tradition because

Christianity has much more emphasis on

theology than it does on law whereas the

Jewish and the Muslim traditions have

been more focused on law on fill so when

they came up against the Christians in

Syria and Iraq and Egypt suddenly they

were asking them questions they'd never

been asked before like the Quran says

that Jesus is is the Kalima the you know

the Word of God which in greek is logos

and in the Gospel of John it says in the

beginning was the word the logos and the

Word was with God in the word what and

the Word was God so does that mean that

Jesus is the logos in other words is he

the Eternal Word of God and so nobody

ever thought about that and then they

said and when you say the puranas Kodama

law does that mean that the Quran is the

logos in other words is the Quran

created or is it uncreated nobody had

ever asked him these questions and so

suddenly they were forced to think about

things that they hadn't thought about


hence theology because that is the means

by which they were able to really come

to some conclusions about these Shu

bohat because these are obfuscation z'

that come in to the teaching that create

problems in the hearts of people and the

resolution of the problems comes through

working through these problems and

coming to conclusions about them and

this is what the motorcade lee moon did

this is what the theologians did and and

they created creeds an imam at the

howie's creed is one of the earliest

creeds abu hanifa there's a Creed that's

attributed to him that proceeds this and

there's a debate a big debate about

whether he acts

you wrote it or not but Imam at the how

he's definitely in the line of that

Creed among how his Creed is almost

identical to about Hassan and Ishod his

Creed they differ on four points or

crazy Marzuki and that's it

our Hassan Abu Mansour and Matuidi whose

Creed is articulated in the Nessa fiha

is also very similar he differs on

certain things and there's some

interesting differences and their

differences that are insoluble in that

you're not going to come to some kind of

not going to resolve these problems so

they're just there and they are what

they are

so having said that the you know the the

the founders of these Creed's are are

called the founders of of this science

as well now oblah Hassan Elijah Adi was

very fortunate in having an absolute

genius student of a bucket or bottle Ani

who is probably one of the greatest

intellects in human history I mean

anybody that really looks at his his

work and his genius would have to come

to that conclusion and and he really I

mean he he in essence is is really one

of the saviors of Islam because at the

time when the massive onslaught of

Hellenistic rationalism was coming when

there were just so many a sex and and he

was refuting all these people with just

really extraordinary brilliance and

intellect and and and one of the things

that is important to understand about

these Creed's is that people that attack

them and I can really safely say this

almost have never studied them

and I found this consistently what they

do is they read their teachers who quote

these people and then they attack them

from within their own frames of

reference and they rarely actually study

because when you say that oh this is a

bit what is a bid at exactly you show me

where the bid at is in and and they'll

say well it's a bit out to say this or

that for instance it's a bit odd to say

that the most half is not the Kurama law

which is a shoddy position that when you

say Kurama law about the quran itself

the most half that's why the muslims

differentiate between most half and

quran right the we call the most half is

the copy of the Quran it's called a

must-have and we use it when we say

Quran we're really saying it like

magazine so but when we say the Quran

what is the Quran the Quran is caramel

aroma loop the uncreated word of Allah

in the macaron pidemo mafia here we're

at a khadeem oh what an animal what

Allah Arabic Allah no but I don't know

it terrible you know when the the the

Quran is the the word of Allah it

doesn't have syntactical precedents and

anticipate it doesn't have land you know

articulation it doesn't have Arab

inflection it doesn't have part or

universals or particular is Kulu allah

dhu tinta sabah because all of these

things are created by their nature

Hakone elma he mocked essa work account

Kony and me ran amok decibel like saying

God has acquired his knowledge so when

you say the Quran the most half is Quran

Allah we say that out of Edom

because you don't want to say it's not

the quran allah that's not the kind of

allah you can't say that it is a

parabola but it's not the konami law

that is a role model because it is in

the world it has paper it has ink on


it's language that came into the world

whereas the the Kalama law that is

Kadeem is the meanings that allah

subhana wa ta'ala articulated in his

essence it's the meaning that Allah

subhana WA Ta'ala has in his essence so

that's an example of solving a problem

where these people were saying are you

saying that's uncreated and if you say

well yeah that's uncreated then you you

have a religion of people that think

things that are created are uncreated

but if you say that it's the Perron

is uncreated essentially then what

you're saying is an attribute of god is

on is is created the sefa of a lot

because kadam is all sefa of the motor

kingdom the the speech is an attribute

of the speaker the one speaking and so

if you say that his attribute is created

then you're saying that Allah has

created that there's an attribute that's

created and that creates a problem and

so this is this is in essence what these

men were dealing with and they did an

extraordinary job when you get to the

the free will and the determination you

know our human beings determined or are

they free these are paradoxical problems

that have befuddled all the religious

traditions that deal with these subjects

but if you look at them the way they

resolve them they're quite stunning

they're still limited by language but

they're still quite stunning and and

that so when we talk about the founder

we're talking first and foremost that

it's God that gave us this knowledge it

was transmitted by the Prophet slicin

but it was formulated by these great

intellects that the community was

provided with and we believe it's

providential care because the Prophet

SAW I said I'm said that this knowledge

would be protected by people in each

generation they protected and so that's

what what they've done any mama Howie is

one of the great people of that

science and that's why his Creed is so

important and then the that the name of

this is mewho is called it's called

Azula Dean it's called the Elemento he'd

it's called the LML Kalam these are

different names for this science but

generally is called Azula Dean the roots

of this religion because it's what this

religion is built upon is to heed and

this is the science of tawheed element

Kalam in the early period is a very

negative term and you will see many

statements of the early community

attacking column and these are used in

polemics modern polemics in books saying

that Kalam is evil and liquid Imam Shafi

said about Kalam look what so-and-so

said about Kalam they were talking about

the dialectical theology of the Martez

elight when they were talking about

these things they were not talking about

the refutation of the MARTA see light

which come from the Edison one genre

right and it's important to understand

that distinction so and then finally the

hook Machado is for dying it's

considered for dying on every person the

topics of it the mesial are covered in

you can see what the topics are in the

book but the the topics that are dealt

with are things like the base and right

the hold of the prophet the pool of the

Prophet what that entails the the UM

Okayama what happens on the ELMO qiyamah

what's hash are what's Nichelle

what's kadar what's the mean so these

these are the the the Messiah that it

deals with and then also like the that

the Quran is Kodama law and then so that

essentially is those are the the my body

and oshawa of this science now what I'm

going to do right now is is just

basically go through a de su knowledge

about what that means

sums are divided essentially into two

major groups the Sunni and the Shia the

Shia are historically they are the

people that supported Imam Ali in his

push for they were called Shia - Ali and

it's a historical reality he went up

against morale we are Delano and he

definitely had his support the idea that

Iman I was practicing topia for me is

hard to believe but that is a shear view

that Imam Mahdi really felt that he

should have been located immediately

after the Prophet slicin have died and

that there was great wrongs done to the

family of the prophets in him now the

Shia historically fall into different

categories the rawa field and the whole

lot of the Shia were tended to be looked

very very negative negatively by the

people of Sunnah but there were Shia

whose Teixeira was a thief and Imam Abu

Hadi relates Shia in sahih al-bukhari

and a lot of people don't know that but

there are Shia transmitters in sahibu


so this idea that the Shia were all evil

and something like that is not an early

view of things but the ROE a field and

the people upon who feels happy Rasul

Allah those people that spoke ill or

spoke ill of aisha radi lana generally

were looked upon very negatively by the

Ummah that came to be known as the

Addison one Gemini and all I would say

is that the Shia tradition is an

alternative narrative and from within

the Shia tradition itself it's it's a

very strong argument which is why they

have very brilliant scholars and some of

them are extraordinarily well versed in

in all the sciences of islam arabic and

so from within their perspective it all

makes sense and that's why the Muslims

have never been able to really resolve

this problem there there have always

been brilliant she has scholars and

there been debates in the community and

it's just insoluble so it's best left

like that it's it's just not the the

best thing that we can have is is just a

peaceful coexistence which has happened

throughout history in many many places

the Muslims and the Sunnis and the

Shia's have lived together without

without problems in many places Allah

says a good example half the city is

Shia and the other half is Sunni and the

Shia keeps themselves the Sunnis keep to

themselves they don't hate each other

they just live their kind of separate

lives and they don't have those kind of

problems in America in particular we

should really avoid conflicts between

the Sunni and Shia I'm is really

important here that we really avoid some

of the baggage from back home that's my

view about things I'm very committed to

Sunni tradition is what I was taught

it's also makes the most sense to me

personally I mean I looked at the Shia

tradition I was interested in for during

that early period when during the the

Iranian Revolution I got interested in

it just as a phenomenon and for me

personally I've never had any allegiance

to anything other than the truth I mean

I'm just not interested in a kind of

tribal approach to religion like I'm

Benny son on there Venetia on our tribes

better than their tribe if if something

appears to me to be true right and but I

would say one thing but that this the I

had assumed that downplayed considerably

what happened and if you if you study

the history there's two versions one is

a very whitewashed history which tends

to be taught and the other is what real

happened and what really happened is

actually kind of hard to believe the

what happened to the family of the

Prophet the insurrection z' that

occurred the brutality that was directed

against them it's it's it's all history

it's not something that can people can

say did not happen it did happen

Malea Driss is a good example that who

fled from the Hejaz to morocco and

founded the idad isa delta there in

morocco which some the Moroccans tend to

claim that it was Malachy and some say

that he was actually part of the Shia

tradition so Allah Anam but from that

tradition is Adia

who are the people of northern Yemen

geographically northern Yemen's one

country now but geographically in the

northern part of Yemen you have this

idea and this idea who are called the

fibers as well these are the fibers and

sevinor's and is nicety of the twelvers

the the saadia are the closest from the

Shia community to the Addison they don't

speak ill of Abu Bakr or all model they

don't have a problem with their halifa

but they prefer imam ali over those two

and felt that he should have been the

first k dove so that's their view and

imam Ashok Ani who arguably is not as ad

he was raised as a D and he was raised

in that tradition so but he's an example

of just an incredibly brilliant scholar

so the Addison or Jamaat which is a

formula that came later how we have been

described is the people the prophetic

way and congregation so they're the

people of Sunnah and the idea is not

that the that the you know that I mean

the Sunnah the Shia have hadith and and

they in the end they follow hadith and

they have practices that they do but the

that I had a soon are the people of the

hadith methodology that that was

articulated by the great scholars of

hadith and in attempting to follow the


just to the best and the Gemara is the

majority which the the Sun tradition is

the majority tradition so they are the

Gemara they are the majority so they're

the the congregation the prophet

sallallaahu said i'm said yet the law

him aljahmeir

the the hand of god is with the the

congregation and he said man shed the

shed the Phenom people that deviate

deviate off into it's a hellish

deviation so it was used initially to to

distinguish himself from the raffia and

the heritage the raffia are the Hulett

of the Shia the extremists from amongst

the Shia and the holidays are the people

who made tech fear of Muslims they

called other Muslims kaffir and they

they they became insurrectionist they

broke off from the civil governance the

jurist and heresy ologist shah qajar bin

Fahad bin Mohammed Ibaka daddy is Farah

Heaney is Farah he's one of the great

scholars he died in 429 but he said that

the additional Jamaat comprise 8

categories and this is very useful for

you to understand because he's one of

the early scholars for 29 is considered

from he's not from the set up some say

the set up goes up to the 5th century so

he would be included in the set of but

he's from that very early period and but

he says the first category is the group

who mastered the various aspects of

tawheed so they're the theologians of

the Addison illegitimate they know about

the new buit prophecy the eschatological

aspects of theology there and that

relate also to rewards and punishments

in the hereafter as well as of the as

the conditions of each D had so they

know how HT had is done in all of this

they have gone the route of the people

of attributes from our theologians the

people of C fat

because there the more pita nullified

the attributes of God and the Addison

affirm the attributes of God that that

that God went when he speaks about

attributes that that he does have those

attributes and that they are to be

affirmed and not nullified and and then

they're free of anthropomorphism touch

seem so they don't believe literal

things like that that God is literally

in a place or he's literally on a

physical throne things like that they

don't believe those things they say we


Rockman eyelashes Toa we believe in it

you either share atamora deal at

whatever God meant by it I believe in it

but but what occurs to the mind it's

other than that because that's

impossible for God that's called that

wheel is malli the later owner Matt gave

it a tech wheel tough silly a detailed

interpretation said what it meant so

that's the position of the people who

are not anthropomorphise and then also

that jamia who for instance said that

the essence of God is everywhere it's

like a pan an theism and other groups

like the Nigeria the second category is

the Imams of jurisprudence from the two

groups of juristic reasoning and

transmission the people of hadith and

the people of right hello right are like

the hanafis an ADIZ

like the ham bodies and the and Chevys

and then the Imam addict joins between

the two so they believe in those groups

and they're free from Etta's on the type

of absolute dependence on rationalism

and also the Java which is a belief in

in determinism so they're neither

determinist nor are they people that

believe in absolute free will

they're between the two and they believe

in the raising of the graves as well as

the questioning in the grave because


people that deny the questioning of the

grave they believe in the bodily

resurrection they also believe in the

reality of the intercession and the

forgiveness of all wrongs from a lot

with the exception of shit

and obviously that and we'll get into

that but that that that is people who

willingly commit shirk they affirm the

continuity of paradise for its people in

the torment of fire for the rejecters of

truth so the idea that the Paradise is

it's what they call in in scholastic

terminology AV ternal it goes on forever

although it had a beginning and they

also believed in the obligation of

congregational prayer jumar behind all

Imams so at a cinema Gemini pray behind

Imams as long as they're free of heresy

and deviation in other words bid at and

zendaya but if they're a bad person you

still pray behind them if they're a

reprobate and they confirm the

permissibility of wiping over the hoff

socks and what's important about that it

seems like a silly issue to bring up

it's even in the Creed of Imam the Howey

but the real issue was about it was

about motivated Hadees and whether the

hadith reaches the status of the Quran

because the Quran doesn't mention hope

it tells you you have to wipe the feet

but the hoof is mentioned in the hadith

and it's a motivator Hadees so the real

the reason they say and they believe in

the hope what they're really saying is

they believe that a motivator hadith has

the same value as a verse of Quran I

mean that's really the what - what

they're saying they just use that ruling

because that that's a route the Huaraz

rejected that so that was a major issue

in the early period how are they said

you can't wipe off over the socks and

then they also believe that the pre

mount pronouncement of divorce is three

times binding all right because this

this is an interesting issue that's been

raised now in modern times now they

believe that the temporary marriage is

prohibited mota is prayer

and that it

they also deem obedience to authority of

the state as an obligation as long as is

not anything that constitute agreed-upon

disobedience to Allah so they believe in

civil governance and that you actually

have to obey the state that you cannot

enter into insurrection against the

state is a really important point about

the Sunnah is that they're they're

against a holodeck view that you that

insurrection is acceptable mmm and then

and this includes the Companions of

Malek chef Rios a thorough Beneatha ibn

ABI Leila lathe thorough both or and the

Companions of a commitment humble as

well as the alibi of the literalist in

fill it includes them and all of the

other scholars who believed in the

matters of intellectual understanding

the way of the people of attributes and

did not dilute their beliefs with any

innovations of the people of heresy and

deviation the third category is those

people have mastered the science of

hadith and their various chains in

pathways that lead back to the Prophet

those who were able to distinguish being

sound and weak transmissions and they

mastered the science of critical

analysis and assessment of men and women

in the chains of transmission and the

various reasons they are acceptable or


moreover they do not dilute any of their

knowledge with innovations of the people

of heresy and deviation so the mahadji

thune are from the Addison wajima the

fourth category is the people who have

mastered the humanities including

grammar and morphology and followed the

guidelines of the Imams of language so

that's a very important aspect of the

Addison wajima

people the poets the people that master

the JD poetry the people that spend

their lives preserving language even

though it's not related to the religion

itself as a religious science it's an

ancillary science to religion right it's

not a religious science it's it's a

science that religion is dependent upon

because those people preserve that

science there they're considered part

behind a Sunnah Gemma so it's it's when

you meet people that love grammar and

want to study language they shouldn't be

discouraged like oh you're wasting your

time you should be studying Quran you

know there's people that tell them that

you're wasting your time

no you need those people because you

can't understand the Quran without those

people and that's why the the Sunni the

Muslims generally always honored

grammarians and philologists and and the

people of poetry and a dab of literature

always Imam at Hadiya tea you know these

these were great scholars of language so

that's important and then the fifth

category and amongst them are Halil Abba

Dabba nada

Seba we alfarache Alice Mary L Mazen II

about obeyed and other Imams from the

kufan the grammarians that did not do

their knowledge with innovations of

raffia or the idea or the Huaraz or the

might easily like Imams a machete was a

martini and the other Sunnah have a soft

spot for him because he was such a

genius and his tafseer' is so essential

to the tafseer tradition I mean many

many scholars admitted that their

favorite Tufts year was the tough year

of the Imams of our Shetty so even

though he was mighty light the the Sunni

scholars had a soft spot form for that

reason and he was very self-deprecating

was an interesting man the fifth

category is those who have mastered the

variants of Quran the different

commentaries so the Memphis Iran and the

Harada people of the Quran the sixth

category is the virtuous aesthetics and

Sufis who penetrated the reality of this

world and left it for others who tested

things and took them from the lessons of

discernment who were pleased with the

divine decree and content with what was

easily obtained who realized that the

hearing sight and heart are all things

that man is asked about both the good

and the bad who took themselves to

account even if it concerned the weight

of an

and thus they prepared for Judgment Day

the best provision their words followed

the two ways of the outward meaning in

the inward indication in accordance with

the methodology of the people of hadith

without using it simply to entertain

with clever art forms of speech they do

not do good deeds to show off nor do

they leave them out of modesty their way

is that of the unique and why head and

they negate any anthropomorphism their

schools out of turning the matter over

to Allah so these are the people of

tasawwuf that are rightly guided and

they're very clearly demarcate

admissible census you know everybody

accepts him on Junaid and he was called

Imam of life attained he was a fucking

in the thirty met hab but he was also a

man of tassel so tasawwuf has two there

are two branches of the soul the first

is a fault line which is like what's in

purification of the heart that aspect of

to solve which is purifying your heart

Imam and Fatih Hany one of the great

Maliki scholar said before you study set

out to study knowledge you should purify

your heart because you will never

benefit from knowledge if your heart is

impure and he said preparing your heart

for knowledge is like preparing the

earth for for planting you know before

you actually put seed into the earth you

have to cultivate the earth with a plow

and and he said that's what you had to

do with your heart so removing the

negative qualities and adorning the

heart with the positive qualities the oh

what a Towada

Atta Kilduff you know the beginning of

humility is forcing yourself to be

humble so that that was very important

and the people that I saw were the

people that focused on that aspect and

that's why to solve is one of the

sciences of Islam to deny to solve is

deny to deny Allah you know who feels

Latium Hajj your own the people who have

who schewe in their prayer I guarantee

there's no fog that talks about you know

how you get who

it'll tell you that you have to have who

schewe in your prayer for these

lava-like in the mattock you might have

if you have to have some who schewe in

your prayer even if it's a moment but it

doesn't tell you how you develop pusher

because it's not the the object of fit

it's not one of the topics of fifth that

is in Tesla wolf and that's the word

that was used by the Muslims

historically it's Tazawa so those people

that deny the soul are the same type

people that deny med hebbs and that deny

you know Touhey the element Quran is the

same type of people and it's very

unfortunate you know that that that this

has happened but it's it's one of the

unfortunate aspects of the modern

phenomenon of of Islam that the Prophet

said the end of time will not come until

the later people condemn the earlier

people that Tacoma sahajiya Suba Al

Jarreau Hadid Omaha when aha

so the Prophet mentioned that that

people are going to the later people are

going to condemn the earlier people so

but that's also it's important to point

out that there's a lot of innovations in

what goes under the category of Tazawa

so it doesn't mean to solve every we

just accept anybody who says they're a

Sufi and we accept anything that calls

itself to solve no to solve is based on

the book and the Sunnah and if you don't

find a firm foundation in the book and

the Sunnah it's rejected and that's what

the Imams of Tazawa have said Imam

Junaid said had an animal why you don't

because every language similar to our

sweetie done this is a science that is

absolutely rooted in the Book of Allah

and the Sunnah of the Prophet and so if

you don't find it in the Book of Allah

email meta story ahead it to study said

I that Ora daddy me one of them said

that he said mathematically met in

Mineral home in the auto - ha-ah -

chahee Dana didn't kita Volos was a

Notaro Selena that I never heard

anything from the Sufis except that I

put it before a to just witness

to testify for or against it and that's

the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the

Prophet SAW ladies so that is the the

way of the soul and that's what he's

saying those are the people that are

rightly guided not the false ones not

the I mean you have the skewer people

and the snake handlers just like in

Christianity you have the people that

take literally the handling of snakes or

speaking in tongues and things like that

you have those manifestations of

religion in every tradition but that's

not what he's talking about he's talking

about a Scholastic tradition that also

relates to practice and experience the

the second aspect of tassel is the

science of Allah and Muhammad the

science of states and stations because

if you're on a strong spiritual path

you're doing a lot of dhikr and

meditation getting up at night things

start happening and some of it there's

there's ways to distinguish between

inward sensory terrestrial inward

sensory celestial inward meaning

terrestrial in word meaning celestial

outward terrestrial outward celestial

outward meaning

terrestrial outward meaning celestial

outward meaning terrestrial inward

outward terrestrial sensory I mean those

are all categories in that science and

they look at things so people will have

what they think is a spiritual

experience and it's not it's just your

ego but you think and you had this

amazing spiritual experience it was

purely ego or it could have been demonic

because there are how authorship Ani and

people think they're having I had this

amazing experience and it was a demonic


I mean seriously there's people that

feel the Holy Ghost infusing them they

have amazing experiences there's people

that have sensory experiences and

they're convinced that they're deep

spiritual spirits there's people that

take LSD and think that they've had

enlightenment really is it's not you


real these things are real there's

people that go into psychotic states and

they're convinced I mean I've had people

come to me seriously I mean I've seen

people go mad from the Kuril law mad

from doing things that they should have

been doing you know I people have come

to told me they're the Madi and like

completely believing it and saying I had

these experiences you have to listen to

me those you have to be able to

distinguish between those to know what's

happening to you and if you don't know

that science you go to somebody who

knows that science because you need help

like a doctor you need to go to a doctor

just like if you start having

hallucinations you go to a doctor well

if you start having spiritual

experiences you need somebody to put

those into a perspective the same with

true dreams dream there's people that

have dreams and and they think they've

had a dream and it means exactly the

opposite of what they think it means

there's people that have dreams you know

that they're eating pork and they think

that it's something Haram and read what

even sitting and says about seeing

yourself eating pork it's not

necessarily a negative thing but it

depends dreams are all mysterious and

that realm of the dream world is very

mysterious but it has meaning and there

are people that know those meanings it's

not the things that you can learn in a

book like you've been sitting wrote a

book on dreams it's an interesting book

but it's very dangerous to use that book

to interpret dreams Imam one lady came

to eyes and she told her dreams she gave

a negative interpretation the prophet

got very upset with her so you know that

those that's a science the science of

dream interpretation and there's people

that know that science and then there's

people that don't and there's people

that think they do and they're the big

problem so the the seventh category are

the murabbi alone and those are the


that guard the borders of Islam and and

defend the Muslims from encroachment of

people attacking them they defend women

in the homes of the Muslims and they

displayed adherence to the cement

Jumeirah and they said and they've

followed the verse it said those who

struggle for our sake we will guide them

to our ways the eighth category and this

is very important is the general

population of the lands of the Muslims

where Sunni Islam is dominated

notwithstanding areas in which deviation

has been predominant what we mean by

this is general Muslim people who

believe that the scholars of the similar

jamaat are correct in the matters that

concern the just sacred law and the

theological issues as well as the

eschatological matters of the hereafter

they refer back to their scholars in

order to understand their religion and

they imitate them in the branches of

jurisprudence that relate to the

permissible and the impermissible

moreover they do not believe in any of

the innovations and deviations of the

people of heresies they are those who've

been characterized by the Sufis as the

stuff of paradise hash well jenna is

they fill up paradise majority of people

so these are the groups of the people of

Samoa and Gemma and together they

constant constant the true and upright

Deen and straight path may Allah make us

firm with the firmest words in this life

in the next

indeed he answers appropriately and he

is capable of all things so that's

that's a momentous fairness categories I

think they're very useful for people the

the newsmen the you know the the the

idea of attacking people for their

religion is something that you know in

traditional Islam the the the Muslims

were very very flexible it's very

difficult to to get out of Islam you

have to do something really egregious to

get out of this religion I met Muhammad

said he said the only thing that can get

you out of this religion is to deny the

very thing that got you in the religion

that's what he said he said let you

hurry to come in had a Dean in LA in

Cairo metalic a fee which is la ilaha

illallah muhammad rasool allah and so

it's it's it's very hard to to do that

the man you Amanda Dean but the roar I

mean we'll go into that but generally

the anima did not make takfeer of people

and that's one of the hallmarks of the

people of soon is they don't make

takfeer of other muslims even like the

shia and whoever they don't make takfeer

of people that say laila Allah Muhammad

Rasul Allah unless they're specific I

mean there are ways in which people can

anathematized themselves but even for

those people there is a process it's not

just done you don't just call somebody a

Cathy oh this is all the and and and

people people actually historically

there were ways in which that was done

it wasn't done lightly at all it's very

hard to and they would look for tat

wheel they would like try to find some

excuse for the person maybe you believe

this or maybe you think that you

mentioned the permissibility of praying

behind an imam that that only means the

ruler when you when it says that we pray

behind all images in imam the howie's al

qaeda so praying behind any imam means

the ruler the the Imam and Akbar and and

that has like if you're in Morocco and

mullah Mohammed I mean they don't they

don't do this anymore but if he led the

prayer and you say now he's a facet or

he's that's that's those that's

considered like a hot edgy view because

I mean as far as I know you know he's

he's an you know he's an upright person

I don't know anything otherwise so I'm

not going to make any assumptions about

him but if there were known things about

the ruler that they weren't the best of

Muslims you still pray behind them as

for Imams that you pray behind in your

Masjid they should not be reprobates

they should be known to have upright

character if they're known to have

disreputable character then you're you

don't pray behind them but you don't

pray behind fashio Pondicherry ha or faz

upon brachiopod in fact somebody who's a


or bait either in his belief or in his

practice and then you mentioned that the

majority scholars believe that the

Prophet speech did not commit even minor

sins what about Adam taking the Apple

well it I don't I mean trust me they've

worked out all that stuff you know with

Adam at ACM it was about his intention

like he did not know he thought that I

believes was giving him sincere advice

because they were like children and so

they didn't know that anybody would lie

to them and so that he actually believed

what he was doing was a beneficial thing

that it wasn't going to be a harmful

thing and so it was about Nia and that's

why it says you know he forgot so he

didn't intentionally disobey a lot

because you have to have intention in

Marcia you have to know it's a Marcia

when you disobey Him now there are

certain things where ignorance is not an

excuse even in Sharia but generally if

you don't do something willfully there's

not an intention behind it

it's not considered disobedience in that

way so and there are many other examples

of that I mean all the prophets have

been excused and and the excuses have

been written in great detail I work with

schizophrenic who have auditory and

visual hallucinations where they

actually say they see people could that

be demonic presence or jinn well there's

an interesting book called in the

presence of other worlds by Van Doren

and he was a psychiatrist at Sonoma

State mental institution and he

initially was completely did not believe

he was a materialist but after working

20 years in that institution he came to

the conclusion that there really were

things happening so you know I we

definitely believe in gin and gin do

cause problems I'm

jincan preoccupy people and the best

protection against them is is to be and

will do you know to do the mile with

attained the profit did the mile with

attained every day those those type


there's definitely madness I mean

madness is real the Arabic word for

being mad is Majnoon which literally

means like possessed so and obviously

there's benign jinn and then there's

malevolent jinn and then there's

mischievous jinn that aren't so that

they're malevolent in their you know in

that they're mischievous but there are a

lot of benign jinn and I mean some

cultures get obsessed with jinn I I you

know I I think a lot of these

hallucinations go away with you know

certain drugs now that they have things

so they can suppress these type things

so I mean obviously we know like people

that have taken LSD I mean I never took

LSD but I know people that have and

people have taken LSD had very

extraordinary experiences on that drug

and so obviously that you know the the

possibilities of the mind are endless in

the mind is you know imam ali said

Tassimo kanasu nuts tax even f ck german

severe on a second towel animal akbar oh

you think yourself to be an

insignificant creature but in you all of

the world's are are are wrapped up that

we're a microcosm of all of existence

and there's a lot of weird stuff in the

world i mean there's a lot of very

strange stuff i mean if you've ever seen

like mad people that really talk to you

know i'm they're having a conversation

you know like would you shut up

leave me alone and I mean it's real so

whatever is happening although Onam

whether that's gin or just a type of

madness that the mind plays on itself

although Hannam but but we do believe in

miss you know mess is real like people

can get a type of possession and the

quran mentions that the mess so it's

real and you know i I definitely I know

some people that have had very weird

experiences I mean I think everybody

most people you know George Leonard

talks about the weird scale you know

there's certain things that you know

you'll tell everybody there's certain

things you'll tell your close friends

there's certain things you'll only tell

your wife or your husband and then

there's certain things you just keep to


so you know I mean everybody's had

experiences that are very strange I

think most people at least I certainly

have I mean I've got some things I

wouldn't tell anybody but you know where

does imam ahmed have fall entertainment

Izumo Quran being come a lot and not

creation apart from three Imams you

mentioned Imam Ahmed is the the one that

stood up in defense of the the uncreated

nough Subhan he was in prison for during

them the manner of the people of

verities at so Mohammed is I mean he he

stood up for that I shall deny Allah

said ma baina deaf at a and must have

Kadam Allah what's between the two

covers of the most half is the Kaname

law so we do say that and it's not not

the Kaname law but the Kodama law that

is uncreated that that's where the Sunni

scholars differentiated that's all that

if you read the Quran and and they say

that it's only permissible to say this

in a teaching environment like you don't

say this you don't go out and say oh

that's not the poor honor that's not you

know it's only permissible to say this

in a teaching environment that that when

you if I say this mean

and Rahim that was sound waves that

emanated from my breath and and through

my vocal cords and and and they reached

your ears because they're in the world

so that coming into the world of the

speech of Allah that's what they're

differentiating that that speech is not

what we mean by the uncreated word of

Allah that's the is that clear to

everybody yeah that's that's what they

mean mm-hmm yeah mm-hmm

yeah mm-hmm well I wrote a paper called

who are the disbelievers that was its

online and I went into great detail

about that generally I mean I inclined

towards the position of Imam of Azadi

who says that the majority of human

beings will have salvation in the end

yeah no he uses I mean he he bases it on

he doesn't base it just he didn't just

say that he based it on well I mean

there's scholars that yeah they're

scholars that limit greatly the mercy of

God and you know but there's a reason

why it's not permissible to do tagging

and that's all of our limit say that you

cannot say any individuals going to hell

because only god can judge people and

and I think the best position to be

concerned about where you're going and

not where other people are going you

know I mean Muslims tend to obsess about

where other people are going and and the

real problem is not where they're going

it's where I'm going or what you know

but generally generally the you know

Kufa is to reject truth once it's clear

to you and Imam Ghazali said that people

who have been given distorted versions

of Islam and reject the distortions do

not fall under the

category of caffeine because they're not

rejecting Islam they're rejecting a

distorted version of an Islam that says

you have to blow yourself up to get

close to God or something like that you

know I mean if I was a I thank God that

I became Muslim

you know 32 years ago because I don't

know how I would feel about Islam if I

was living in this type of environment

and being bombarded on a daily basis

with all this negativity and then seeing

insane Muslims because you have to

wonder like what's going on with those

people but really I mean just people

average people here just why are they so

angry do you know well you drop bombs on

people they tend to get angry that's

true but on the other hand if it's

really a spiritual teaching then why are

the bombs being dropped on you I mean

that's also a question because from week

I can say to people here you shouldn't

drop bombs on people but the people that

are getting dropped bombs dropped on

them have to ask themselves why is this

happening do you know what what is it

saying about our state

what have we you know what have we done

collectively because the problem you

know one of the things the Quran is very

clear about is that calamities when when

corruption spreads the response to

corruption is calamity it's very clear

so to roam Allah says that he causes you

to taste tribulation to Humble you and

to call you back to the truth but what

the Quran says is you know a tackle fits

a Nutella to see been melody Nevada

moment Omaha be fearful of calamities

that don't just afflict the guilty they

hit everybody so you can't say that

they're all bad or evil no when

corruption spreads it brings on

calamities that afflict everybody I mean

for instance there are

venereal diseases that are a direct

result of people practicing certain

sexual practices that have brought on

those diseases but then your blood gets

contaminated and the innocent child gets

the transfusion you say oh what did they

do to deserve that that's the whole

point that if only the guilty got

afflicted the innocent would never care

about changing anything because you know

they'll get what they deserve but once

you realize no it affects us all

then the impetus to actually call to

virtue and to you know to decry vice

becomes much stronger and that's part of

what people of God are supposed to be in

their witnesses so they're here to do

testing you know to witness the truth

and part of witnessing the truth is

condemning what's wrong yeah no I mean I

yeah well you know Jews and Christians

are Abrahamic people and they they both

believe in one God I mean even

Christians with the Trinity if you get

into real Christian theology it's very

confusing and most average Christians

don't really understand it but if you

get into like if you read Aquinas on the

Trinity it's very clear that they he

doesn't believe gods like three separate

beings or three separate parts I mean he

believes in infinite God

insubstantiality as part of the Catholic

and Orthodox belief about God that that

the God's not like anything right so you

know they're they're they're more i

deunan and the verses in the padang are

very clear the hadees' are clear that

that you know people of tawheed you know

there will be a point in which everybody

who says believe in one god is removed

from the fire the Prophet did however

inside Muslim is it's a hadith

the Prophet did say no Christian or

Muslim no Christian or Jew will hear

about me and died not believing in me

except that they'll enter the fire and

that hadith is understood obviously that

they know he's a prophet you know so if

you reject a prophet you're you're in a

dangerous situation because he's in the

line of prophets but and even the Hindus

and the Buddhists and all these other

people I mean most of them the Quran

says let it out early lay and dad and

one to Tana moon don't set up idols with

God once you know and that's called

joomla heylia in arabic the howl of the

people is that they know that they

shouldn't be doing that and that's why

even the people of shirk are not

condemned to hell fire if they weren't

given a message or made to be understand

that what they were doing was wrong

that's why the ad Asuna believed that

the Alpha Torah are saved

that's a domino peen there's a enough

opinion but I just feel like why do

people want it if there's a debate and

the autumn are saying that these people

are saved I mean one of my favorite

Hadees is about the the prophet Elijah

have said that two men a lot condemns

them to the fire and so they start

heading towards the fire but one of them

looks back its idea says yellow TV - so

Allah stops and says why do you look

back he said I thought you were going to

forgive me and and and and so Allah says

it'll Jannetty enter into my paradise

just because of his good opinion of God

like the other one just said I I knew

I'd never get forgiven you know so have

a good opinion of God you know I mean

I've met wonderful Christians that I

mean I'm sorry I have a hard time

believing God's just gonna zap

you know it's just if you read the

descriptions of the evil people in the

Quran they're puffed up they're arrogant

they don't feed the poor people read the

descriptions of the kuffar in the Quran

and they're not people of humility these

are people that reject the truth even

though they know it's the truth they're

people that won't listen they plug their

ears so you know I mean I'm not uh you

know I'm I believe in the peda and what

I was taught and I'm not in any way

giving some kind of California version

of Islam so I want to make that clear

you know but these things I mean this is

in the tradition and I that's what I

it's like even the Russia you know he

talked about whether or not the Quran if

you read the Quran for dead people does

it benefit the dead people or not

there's a he laughs there's a difference

of opinion even LaRoche it says this is

a difference of opinion about the mercy

of God

shouldn't we err on the side of mercy

like that it benefits them given that

there's a difference of you know it

doesn't benefit them you know I mean I'm

sorry I would prefer that opinion that

it benefits them you know and the proofs

are strong the proofs are strong so the

other people have their opinion but it's

very interesting about people that you

know it's like the man who urinated in

the Masjid and on that I never

understood this until I lived with

Bedouins I was once talking to a Bedouin

and he literally unbuttoned his saying

and turned around and urinated right in

front of me like veteran are like that

you know so I never understood that

hadith until that happened to me you

know I mean Bedouin does urinate

whenever they get the urge you know and

and it's desert and they just covered up

with sand or whatever but anyway that

you know the Bedouin urinated in the

Masjid of the Prophet Elisha them now

the somme wanted to kill this guy the

Prophet told Amanda just cover him you

know like put things so he was hidden

and when he finished you know the

problem went at me said look you know

this is a place of purity

you know don't urinate in the

and but the Sahaba were so angry and I

don't want to say you know that they

were anyway but they were angry and and

so this man you know when he saw how

they react and then he saw how the

Prophet slicin reacted he said alone

that how many what I have Mohammad

Ramallah tomcee wanna Allah forgive me

and forgive Muhammad and don't forgive

anybody else yeah and and the Prophet

SAW I said him said had dealt Eliza you

know you've you've narrowed the vast and

that's what these people do they just

narrow the vastness of God makalapa

Padre God can forgive anybody and the

Matuidi believe if lawful worried is not

does not diminish God in other words if

you fail to fulfill your promise that

diminishes you but if you fail to fulfil

your threat it actually enhances you and

that's the Matua the opinion that if God

threatens you to do something and if he

chooses not to fulfill his threat like

these threatens to send you to hell

and then he he doesn't do that that it

actually it enhances God's esteem it

doesn't diminish it unlike if he

promised you paradise for doing

something then you do it and then he

doesn't give you paradise that

diminishes just like I say we'll live

you come I'm gonna I'm gonna really

you'll see I'm going to take my

vengeance on you and then you come and I

say you know I thought about I forgive

you people say much a lot that you know

that's a high thing it's not a low thing

so a lot I mean there's a man who burned

him had his self burnt after he died

it's in the sahih hadith right does

everybody know that how do people know

that hadith he had himself burnt

cremated and he told his sons to spread

his ashes out right when he was the

Prophet said he was brought before God

and God said why did you do that and he

said because I didn't want you to

resurrect me because I was so afraid of

being judged by you that belief that he

could somehow scatter his ashes and God

couldn't bring him back together that's

couponer and that belief is covered

because you is a stage as Pavarotti let

it's it's it's considering that God's

not omnipotent that he's not

all-powerful you actually think that God

can't do something that's Kofa and yet

God forgave that man this is clearer in

the hadith God can forgive whomever he


I mean even if you look at the verse

that innallaha lion if you don't a new

Scirocco be you know I mean you just

look at the way the verse was was

revealed it doesn't say he won't forgive