Islamic Theology 2013

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particular is Kulu allah

dhu tinta sabah because all of these

things are created by their nature

Hakone elma he mocked essa work account

Kony and me ran amok decibel like saying

God has acquired his knowledge so when

you say the Quran the most half is Quran

Allah we say that out of Edom

because you don't want to say it's not

the quran allah that's not the kind of

allah you can't say that it is a

parabola but it's not the konami law

that is a role model because it is in

the world it has paper it has ink on


it's language that came into the world

whereas the the Kalama law that is

Kadeem is the meanings that allah

subhana wa ta'ala articulated in his

essence it's the meaning that Allah

subhana WA Ta'ala has in his essence so

that's an example of solving a problem

where these people were saying are you

saying that's uncreated and if you say

well yeah that's uncreated then you you

have a religion of people that think

things that are created are uncreated

but if you say that it's the Perron

is uncreated essentially then what

you're saying is an attribute of god is

on is is created the sefa of a lot

because kadam is all sefa of the motor

kingdom the the speech is an attribute

of the speaker the one speaking and so

if you say that his attribute is created

then you're saying that Allah has

created that there's an attribute that's

created and that creates a problem and

so this is this is in essence what these

men were dealing with and they did an

extraordinary job when you get to the

the free will and the determination you

know our human beings determined or are

they free these are paradoxical problems

that have befuddled all the religious

traditions that deal with these subjects

but if you look at them the way they

resolve them they're quite stunning

they're still limited by language but

they're still quite stunning and and

that so when we talk about the founder

we're talking first and foremost that

it's God that gave us this knowledge it

was transmitted by the Prophet slicin

but it was formulated by these great

intellects that the community was

provided with and we believe it's

providential care because the Prophet

SAW I said I'm said that this knowledge

would be protected by people in each

generation they protected and so that's

what what they've done any mama Howie is

one of the great people of that

science and that's why his Creed is so

important and then the that the name of

this is mewho is called it's called

Azula Dean it's called the Elemento he'd

it's called the LML Kalam these are

different names for this science but

generally is called Azula Dean the roots

of this religion because it's what this

religion is built upon is to heed and

this is the science of tawheed element

Kalam in the early period is a very

negative term and you will see many

statements of the early community

attacking column and these are used in

polemics modern polemics in books saying

that Kalam is evil and liquid Imam Shafi

said about Kalam look what so-and-so

said about Kalam they were talking about

the dialectical theology of the Martez

elight when they were talking about

these things they were not talking about

the refutation of the MARTA see light

which come from the Edison one genre

right and it's important to understand

that distinction so and then finally the

hook Machado is for dying it's

considered for dying on every person the

topics of it the mesial are covered in

you can see what the topics are in the

book but the the topics that are dealt

with are things like the base and right

the hold of the prophet the pool of the

Prophet what that entails the the UM

Okayama what happens on the ELMO qiyamah

what's hash are what's Nichelle

what's kadar what's the mean so these

these are the the the Messiah that it

deals with and then also like the that

the Quran is Kodama law and then so that

essentially is those are the the my body

and oshawa of this science now what I'm

going to do right now is is just

basically go through a de su knowledge

about what that means

sums are divided essentially into two

major groups the Sunni and the Shia the

Shia are historically they are the

people that supported Imam Ali in his

push for they were called Shia - Ali and

it's a historical reality he went up

against morale we are Delano and he

definitely had his support the idea that

Iman I was practicing topia for me is

hard to believe but that is a shear view

that Imam Mahdi really felt that he

should have been located immediately

after the Prophet slicin have died and

that there was great wrongs done to the

family of the prophets in him now the

Shia historically fall into different

categories the rawa field and the whole

lot of the Shia were tended to be looked

very very negative negatively by the

people of Sunnah but there were Shia

whose Teixeira was a thief and Imam Abu

Hadi relates Shia in sahih al-bukhari

and a lot of people don't know that but

there are Shia transmitters in sahibu


so this idea that the Shia were all evil

and something like that is not an early

view of things but the ROE a field and

the people upon who feels happy Rasul

Allah those people that spoke ill or

spoke ill of aisha radi lana generally

were looked upon very negatively by the

Ummah that came to be known as the

Addison one Gemini and all I would say

is that the Shia tradition is an

alternative narrative and from within

the Shia tradition itself it's it's a

very strong argument which is why they

have very brilliant scholars and some of

them are extraordinarily well versed in

in all the sciences of islam arabic and

so from within their perspective it all

makes sense and that's why the Muslims

have never been able to really resolve

this problem there there have always

been brilliant she has scholars and

there been debates in the community and

it's just insoluble so it's best left

like that it's it's just not the the

best thing that we can have is is just a

peaceful coexistence which has happened

throughout history in many many places

the Muslims and the Sunnis and the

Shia's have lived together without

without problems in many places Allah

says a good example half the city is

Shia and the other half is Sunni and the

Shia keeps themselves the Sunnis keep to

themselves they don't hate each other

they just live their kind of separate

lives and they don't have those kind of

problems in America in particular we

should really avoid conflicts between

the Sunni and Shia I'm is really

important here that we really avoid some

of the baggage from back home that's my

view about things I'm very committed to

Sunni tradition is what I was taught

it's also makes the most sense to me

personally I mean I looked at the Shia

tradition I was interested in for during

that early period when during the the

Iranian Revolution I got interested in

it just as a phenomenon and for me

personally I've never had any allegiance

to anything other than the truth I mean

I'm just not interested in a kind of

tribal approach to religion like I'm

Benny son on there Venetia on our tribes

better than their tribe if if something

appears to me to be true right and but I

would say one thing but that this the I

had assumed that downplayed considerably

what happened and if you if you study

the history there's two versions one is

a very whitewashed history which tends

to be taught and the other is what real

happened and what really happened is

actually kind of hard to believe the

what happened to the family of the

Prophet the insurrection z' that

occurred the brutality that was directed

against them it's it's it's all history

it's not something that can people can

say did not happen it did happen

Malea Driss is a good example that who

fled from the Hejaz to morocco and

founded the idad isa delta there in

morocco which some the Moroccans tend to

claim that it was Malachy and some say

that he was actually part of the Shia

tradition so Allah Anam but from that

tradition is Adia

who are the people of northern Yemen

geographically northern Yemen's one

country now but geographically in the

northern part of Yemen you have this

idea and this idea who are called the

fibers as well these are the fibers and

sevinor's and is nicety of the twelvers

the the saadia are the closest from the

Shia community to the Addison they don't

speak ill of Abu Bakr or all model they

don't have a problem with their halifa

but they prefer imam ali over those two

and felt that he should have been the

first k dove so that's their view and

imam Ashok Ani who arguably is not as ad

he was raised as a D and he was raised

in that tradition so but he's an example

of just an incredibly brilliant scholar

so the Addison or Jamaat which is a

formula that came later how we have been

described is the people the prophetic

way and congregation so they're the

people of Sunnah and the idea is not

that the that the you know that I mean

the Sunnah the Shia have hadith and and

they in the end they follow hadith and

they have practices that they do but the

that I had a soon are the people of the

hadith methodology that that was

articulated by the great scholars of

hadith and in attempting to follow the


just to the best and the Gemara is the

majority which the the Sun tradition is

the majority tradition so they are the

Gemara they are the majority so they're

the the congregation the prophet

sallallaahu said i'm said yet the law

him aljahmeir

the the hand of god is with the the

congregation and he said man shed the

shed the Phenom people that deviate

deviate off into it's a hellish

deviation so it was used initially to to

distinguish himself from the raffia and

the heritage the raffia are the Hulett

of the Shia the extremists from amongst

the Shia and the holidays are the people

who made tech fear of Muslims they

called other Muslims kaffir and they

they they became insurrectionist they

broke off from the civil governance the

jurist and heresy ologist shah qajar bin

Fahad bin Mohammed Ibaka daddy is Farah

Heaney is Farah he's one of the great

scholars he died in 429 but he said that

the additional Jamaat comprise 8

categories and this is very useful for

you to understand because he's one of

the early scholars for 29 is considered

from he's not from the set up some say

the set up goes up to the 5th century so

he would be included in the set of but

he's from that very early period and but

he says the first category is the group

who mastered the various aspects of

tawheed so they're the theologians of

the Addison illegitimate they know about

the new buit prophecy the eschatological

aspects of theology there and that

relate also to rewards and punishments

in the hereafter as well as of the as

the conditions of each D had so they

know how HT had is done in all of this

they have gone the route of the people

of attributes from our theologians the

people of C fat

because there the more pita nullified

the attributes of God and the Addison

affirm the attributes of God that that

that God went when he speaks about

attributes that that he does have those

attributes and that they are to be

affirmed and not nullified and and then

they're free of anthropomorphism touch

seem so they don't believe literal

things like that that God is literally

in a place or he's literally on a

physical throne things like that they

don't believe those things they say we


Rockman eyelashes Toa we believe in it

you either share atamora deal at

whatever God meant by it I believe in it

but but what occurs to the mind it's

other than that because that's

impossible for God that's called that

wheel is malli the later owner Matt gave

it a tech wheel tough silly a detailed

interpretation said what it meant so

that's the position of the people who

are not anthropomorphise and then also

that jamia who for instance said that

the essence of God is everywhere it's

like a pan an theism and other groups

like the Nigeria the second category is

the Imams of jurisprudence from the two

groups of juristic reasoning and

transmission the people of hadith and

the people of right hello right are like

the hanafis an ADIZ

like the ham bodies and the and Chevys

and then the Imam addict joins between

the two so they believe in those groups

and they're free from Etta's on the type

of absolute dependence on rationalism

and also the Java which is a belief in

in determinism so they're neither

determinist nor are they people that

believe in absolute free will

they're between the two and they believe

in the raising of the graves as well as

the questioning in the grave because


people that deny the questioning of the

grave they believe in the bodily

resurrection they also believe in the

reality of the intercession and the

forgiveness of all wrongs from a lot

with the exception of shit

and obviously that and we'll get into

that but that that that is people who

willingly commit shirk they affirm the

continuity of paradise for its people in

the torment of fire for the rejecters of

truth so the idea that the Paradise is

it's what they call in in scholastic

terminology AV ternal it goes on forever

although it had a beginning and they

also believed in the obligation of

congregational prayer jumar behind all

Imams so at a cinema Gemini pray behind

Imams as long as they're free of heresy

and deviation in other words bid at and

zendaya but if they're a bad person you

still pray behind them if they're a

reprobate and they confirm the

permissibility of wiping over the hoff

socks and what's important about that it

seems like a silly issue to bring up

it's even in the Creed of Imam the Howey

but the real issue was about it was

about motivated Hadees and whether the

hadith reaches the status of the Quran

because the Quran doesn't mention hope

it tells you you have to wipe the feet

but the hoof is mentioned in the hadith

and it's a motivator Hadees so the real

the reason they say and they believe in

the hope what they're really saying is

they believe that a motivator hadith has

the same value as a verse of Quran I

mean that's really the what - what

they're saying they just use that ruling

because that that's a route the Huaraz

rejected that so that was a major issue

in the early period how are they said

you can't wipe off over the socks and

then they also believe that the pre

mount pronouncement of divorce is three

times binding all right because this

this is an interesting issue that's been

raised now in modern times now they

believe that the temporary marriage is

prohibited mota is prayer

and that it

they also deem obedience to authority of

the state as an obligation as long as is

not anything that constitute agreed-upon

disobedience to Allah so they believe in

civil governance and that you actually

have to obey the state that you cannot

enter into insurrection against the

state is a really important point about

the Sunnah is that they're they're

against a holodeck view that you that

insurrection is acceptable mmm and then

and this includes the Companions of

Malek chef Rios a thorough Beneatha ibn

ABI Leila lathe thorough both or and the

Companions of a commitment humble as

well as the alibi of the literalist in

fill it includes them and all of the

other scholars who believed in the

matters of intellectual understanding

the way of the people of attributes and

did not dilute their beliefs with any

innovations of the people of heresy and

deviation the third category is those

people have mastered the science of

hadith and their various chains in

pathways that lead back to the Prophet

those who were able to distinguish being

sound and weak transmissions and they

mastered the science of critical

analysis and assessment of men and women

in the chains of transmission and the

various reasons they are acceptable or


moreover they do not dilute any of their

knowledge with innovations of the people

of heresy and deviation so the mahadji

thune are from the Addison wajima the

fourth category is the people who have

mastered the humanities including

grammar and morphology and followed the

guidelines of the Imams of language so

that's a very important aspect of the

Addison wajima

people the poets the people that master

the JD poetry the people that spend

their lives preserving language even

though it's not related to the religion

itself as a religious science it's an

ancillary science to religion right it's

not a religious science it's it's a

science that religion is dependent upon

because those people preserve that

science there they're considered part

behind a Sunnah Gemma so it's it's when

you meet people that love grammar and

want to study language they shouldn't be

discouraged like oh you're wasting your

time you should be studying Quran you

know there's people that tell them that

you're wasting your time

no you need those people because you

can't understand the Quran without those

people and that's why the the Sunni the

Muslims generally always honored

grammarians and philologists and and the

people of poetry and a dab of literature

always Imam at Hadiya tea you know these

these were great scholars of language so

that's important and then the fifth

category and amongst them are Halil Abba

Dabba nada

Seba we alfarache Alice Mary L Mazen II

about obeyed and other Imams from the

kufan the grammarians that did not do

their knowledge with innovations of

raffia or the idea or the Huaraz or the

might easily like Imams a machete was a

martini and the other Sunnah have a soft

spot for him because he was such a

genius and his tafseer' is so essential

to the tafseer tradition I mean many

many scholars admitted that their

favorite Tufts year was the tough year

of the Imams of our Shetty so even

though he was mighty light the the Sunni

scholars had a soft spot form for that

reason and he was very self-deprecating

was an interesting man the fifth

category is those who have mastered the

variants of Quran the different

commentaries so the Memphis Iran and the

Harada people of the Quran the sixth

category is the virtuous aesthetics and

Sufis who penetrated the reality of this

world and left it for others who tested

things and took them from the lessons of

discernment who were pleased with the

divine decree and content with what was

easily obtained who realized that the

hearing sight and heart are all things

that man is asked about both the good

and the bad who took themselves to

account even if it concerned the weight

of an

and thus they prepared for Judgment Day

the best provision their words followed

the two ways of the outward meaning in

the inward indication in accordance with

the methodology of the people of hadith

without using it simply to entertain

with clever art forms of speech they do

not do good deeds to show off nor do

they leave them out of modesty their way

is that of the unique and why head and

they negate any anthropomorphism their

schools out of turning the matter over

to Allah so these are the people of

tasawwuf that are rightly guided and

they're very clearly demarcate

admissible census you know everybody

accepts him on Junaid and he was called

Imam of life attained he was a fucking

in the thirty met hab but he was also a

man of tassel so tasawwuf has two there

are two branches of the soul the first

is a fault line which is like what's in

purification of the heart that aspect of

to solve which is purifying your heart

Imam and Fatih Hany one of the great

Maliki scholar said before you study set

out to study knowledge you should purify

your heart because you will never

benefit from knowledge if your heart is

impure and he said preparing your heart

for knowledge is like preparing the

earth for for planting you know before

you actually put seed into the earth you

have to cultivate the earth with a plow

and and he said that's what you had to

do with your heart so removing the

negative qualities and adorning the

heart with the positive qualities the oh

what a Towada

Atta Kilduff you know the beginning of

humility is forcing yourself to be

humble so that that was very important

and the people that I saw were the

people that focused on that aspect and

that's why to solve is one of the

sciences of Islam to deny to solve is

deny to deny Allah you know who feels

Latium Hajj your own the people who have

who schewe in their prayer I guarantee

there's no fog that talks about you know

how you get who

it'll tell you that you have to have who

schewe in your prayer for these

lava-like in the mattock you might have

if you have to have some who schewe in

your prayer even if it's a moment but it

doesn't tell you how you develop pusher

because it's not the the object of fit

it's not one of the topics of fifth that

is in Tesla wolf and that's the word

that was used by the Muslims

historically it's Tazawa so those people

that deny the soul are the same type

people that deny med hebbs and that deny

you know Touhey the element Quran is the

same type of people and it's very

unfortunate you know that that that this

has happened but it's it's one of the

unfortunate aspects of the modern

phenomenon of of Islam that the Prophet

said the end of time will not come until

the later people condemn the earlier

people that Tacoma sahajiya Suba Al

Jarreau Hadid Omaha when aha

so the Prophet mentioned that that

people are going to the later people are

going to condemn the earlier people so

but that's also it's important to point

out that there's a lot of innovations in

what goes under the category of Tazawa

so it doesn't mean to solve every we

just accept anybody who says they're a

Sufi and we accept anything that calls

itself to solve no to solve is based on

the book and the Sunnah and if you don't

find a firm foundation in the book and

the Sunnah it's rejected and that's what

the Imams of Tazawa have said Imam

Junaid said had an animal why you don't

because every language similar to our

sweetie done this is a science that is

absolutely rooted in the Book of Allah

and the Sunnah of the Prophet and so if

you don't find it in the Book of Allah

email meta story ahead it to study said

I that Ora daddy me one of them said

that he said mathematically met in

Mineral home in the auto - ha-ah -

chahee Dana didn't kita Volos was a

Notaro Selena that I never heard

anything from the Sufis except that I

put it before a to just witness

to testify for or against it and that's

the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the

Prophet SAW ladies so that is the the

way of the soul and that's what he's

saying those are the people that are

rightly guided not the false ones not

the I mean you have the skewer people

and the snake handlers just like in

Christianity you have the people that

take literally the handling of snakes or

speaking in tongues and things like that

you have those manifestations of

religion in every tradition but that's

not what he's talking about he's talking

about a Scholastic tradition that also

relates to practice and experience the

the second aspect of tassel is the

science of Allah and Muhammad the

science of states and stations because

if you're on a strong spiritual path

you're doing a lot of dhikr and

meditation getting up at night things

start happening and some of it there's

there's ways to distinguish between

inward sensory terrestrial inward

sensory celestial inward meaning

terrestrial in word meaning celestial

outward terrestrial outward celestial

outward meaning

terrestrial outward meaning celestial

outward meaning terrestrial inward

outward terrestrial sensory I mean those

are all categories in that science and

they look at things so people will have

what they think is a spiritual

experience and it's not it's just your

ego but you think and you had this

amazing spiritual experience it was

purely ego or it could have been demonic

because there are how authorship Ani and

people think they're having I had this

amazing experience and it was a demonic


I mean seriously there's people that

feel the Holy Ghost infusing them they

have amazing experiences there's people

that have sensory experiences and

they're convinced that they're deep

spiritual spirits there's people that

take LSD and think that they've had

enlightenment really is it's not you


real these things are real there's

people that go into psychotic states and

they're convinced I mean I've had people

come to me seriously I mean I've seen

people go mad from the Kuril law mad

from doing things that they should have

been doing you know I people have come

to told me they're the Madi and like

completely believing it and saying I had

these experiences you have to listen to

me those you have to be able to

distinguish between those to know what's

happening to you and if you don't know

that science you go to somebody who

knows that science because you need help

like a doctor you need to go to a doctor

just like if you start having

hallucinations you go to a doctor well

if you start having spiritual

experiences you need somebody to put

those into a perspective the same with

true dreams dream there's people that

have dreams and and they think they've

had a dream and it means exactly the

opposite of what they think it means

there's people that have dreams you know

that they're eating pork and they think

that it's something Haram and read what

even sitting and says about seeing

yourself eating pork it's not

necessarily a negative thing but it

depends dreams are all mysterious and

that realm of the dream world is very

mysterious but it has meaning and there

are people that know those meanings it's

not the things that you can learn in a

book like you've been sitting wrote a

book on dreams it's an interesting book

but it's very dangerous to use that book

to interpret dreams Imam one lady came

to eyes and she told her dreams she gave

a negative interpretation the prophet

got very upset with her so you know that

those that's a science the science of

dream interpretation and there's people

that know that science and then there's

people that don't and there's people

that think they do and they're the big

problem so the the seventh category are

the murabbi alone and those are the


that guard the borders of Islam and and

defend the Muslims from encroachment of

people attacking them they defend women

in the homes of the Muslims and they

displayed adherence to the cement

Jumeirah and they said and they've

followed the verse it said those who

struggle for our sake we will guide them

to our ways the eighth category and this

is very important is the general

population of the lands of the Muslims

where Sunni Islam is dominated

notwithstanding areas in which deviation

has been predominant what we mean by

this is general Muslim people who

believe that the scholars of the similar

jamaat are correct in the matters that

concern the just sacred law and the

theological issues as well as the

eschatological matters of the hereafter

they refer back to their scholars in

order to understand their religion and

they imitate them in the branches of

jurisprudence that relate to the

permissible and the impermissible

moreover they do not believe in any of

the innovations and deviations of the

people of heresies they are those who've

been characterized by the Sufis as the

stuff of paradise hash well jenna is

they fill up paradise majority of people

so these are the groups of the people of

Samoa and Gemma and together they

constant constant the true and upright

Deen and straight path may Allah make us

firm with the firmest words in this life

in the next

indeed he answers appropriately and he

is capable of all things so that's

that's a momentous fairness categories I

think they're very useful for people the

the newsmen the you know the the the

idea of attacking people for their

religion is something that you know in

traditional Islam the the the Muslims

were very very flexible it's very

difficult to to get out of Islam you

have to do something really egregious to

get out of this religion I met Muhammad

said he said the only thing that can get

you out of this religion is to deny the

very thing that got you in the religion

that's what he said he said let you

hurry to come in had a Dean in LA in

Cairo metalic a fee which is la ilaha

illallah muhammad rasool allah and so

it's it's it's very hard to to do that

the man you Amanda Dean but the roar I

mean we'll go into that but generally

the anima did not make takfeer of people

and that's one of the hallmarks of the

people of soon is they don't make

takfeer of other muslims even like the

shia and whoever they don't make takfeer

of people that say laila Allah Muhammad

Rasul Allah unless they're specific I

mean there are ways in which people can

anathematized themselves but even for

those people there is a process it's not

just done you don't just call somebody a

Cathy oh this is all the and and and

people people actually historically

there were ways in which that was done

it wasn't done lightly at all it's very

hard to and they would look for tat

wheel they would like try to find some

excuse for the person maybe you believe

this or maybe you think that you

mentioned the permissibility of praying

behind an imam that that only means the

ruler when you when it says that we pray

behind all images in imam the howie's al

qaeda so praying behind any imam means

the ruler the the Imam and Akbar and and

that has like if you're in Morocco and

mullah Mohammed I mean they don't they

don't do this anymore but if he led the

prayer and you say now he's a facet or

he's that's that's those that's

considered like a hot edgy view because

I mean as far as I know you know he's

he's an you know he's an upright person

I don't know anything otherwise so I'm

not going to make any assumptions about

him but if there were known things about

the ruler that they weren't the best of

Muslims you still pray behind them as

for Imams that you pray behind in your

Masjid they should not be reprobates

they should be known to have upright

character if they're known to have

disreputable character then you're you

don't pray behind them but you don't

pray behind fashio Pondicherry ha or faz

upon brachiopod in fact somebody who's a


or bait either in his belief or in his

practice and then you mentioned that the

majority scholars believe that the

Prophet speech did not commit even minor

sins what about Adam taking the Apple

well it I don't I mean trust me they've

worked out all that stuff you know with

Adam at ACM it was about his intention

like he did not know he thought that I

believes was giving him sincere advice

because they were like children and so

they didn't know that anybody would lie

to them and so that he actually believed

what he was doing was a beneficial thing

that it wasn't going to be a harmful

thing and so it was about Nia and that's

why it says you know he forgot so he

didn't intentionally disobey a lot

because you have to have intention in

Marcia you have to know it's a Marcia

when you disobey Him now there are

certain things where ignorance is not an

excuse even in Sharia but generally if

you don't do something willfully there's

not an intention behind it

it's not considered disobedience in that

way so and there are many other examples

of that I mean all the prophets have

been excused and and the excuses have

been written in great detail I work with

schizophrenic who have auditory and

visual hallucinations where they

actually say they see people could that

be demonic presence or jinn well there's

an interesting book called in the

presence of other worlds by Van Doren

and he was a psychiatrist at Sonoma

State mental institution and he

initially was completely did not believe

he was a materialist but after working

20 years in that institution he came to

the conclusion that there really were

things happening so you know I we

definitely believe in gin and gin do

cause problems I'm

jincan preoccupy people and the best

protection against them is is to be and

will do you know to do the mile with

attained the profit did the mile with

attained every day those those type


there's definitely madness I mean

madness is real the Arabic word for

being mad is Majnoon which literally

means like possessed so and obviously

there's benign jinn and then there's

malevolent jinn and then there's

mischievous jinn that aren't so that

they're malevolent in their you know in

that they're mischievous but there are a

lot of benign jinn and I mean some

cultures get obsessed with jinn I I you

know I I think a lot of these

hallucinations go away with you know

certain drugs now that they have things

so they can suppress these type things

so I mean obviously we know like people

that have taken LSD I mean I never took

LSD but I know people that have and

people have taken LSD had very

extraordinary experiences on that drug

and so obviously that you know the the

possibilities of the mind are endless in

the mind is you know imam ali said

Tassimo kanasu nuts tax even f ck german

severe on a second towel animal akbar oh

you think yourself to be an

insignificant creature but in you all of

the world's are are are wrapped up that

we're a microcosm of all of existence

and there's a lot of weird stuff in the

world i mean there's a lot of very

strange stuff i mean if you've ever seen

like mad people that really talk to you

know i'm they're having a conversation

you know like would you shut up

leave me alone and I mean it's real so

whatever is happening although Onam

whether that's gin or just a type of

madness that the mind plays on itself

although Hannam but but we do believe in

miss you know mess is real like people

can get a type of possession and the

quran mentions that the mess so it's

real and you know i I definitely I know

some people that have had very weird

experiences I mean I think everybody

most people you know George Leonard

talks about the weird scale you know

there's certain things that you know

you'll tell everybody there's certain

things you'll tell your close friends

there's certain things you'll only tell

your wife or your husband and then

there's certain things you just keep to


so you know I mean everybody's had

experiences that are very strange I

think most people at least I certainly

have I mean I've got some things I

wouldn't tell anybody but you know where

does imam ahmed have fall entertainment

Izumo Quran being come a lot and not

creation apart from three Imams you

mentioned Imam Ahmed is the the one that

stood up in defense of the the uncreated

nough Subhan he was in prison for during

them the manner of the people of

verities at so Mohammed is I mean he he

stood up for that I shall deny Allah

said ma baina deaf at a and must have

Kadam Allah what's between the two

covers of the most half is the Kaname

law so we do say that and it's not not

the Kaname law but the Kodama law that

is uncreated that that's where the Sunni

scholars differentiated that's all that

if you read the Quran and and they say

that it's only permissible to say this

in a teaching environment like you don't

say this you don't go out and say oh

that's not the poor honor that's not you

know it's only permissible to say this

in a teaching environment that that when

you if I say this mean

and Rahim that was sound waves that

emanated from my breath and and through

my vocal cords and and and they reached

your ears because they're in the world

so that coming into the world of the

speech of Allah that's what they're

differentiating that that speech is not

what we mean by the uncreated word of

Allah that's the is that clear to

everybody yeah that's that's what they

mean mm-hmm yeah mm-hmm

yeah mm-hmm well I wrote a paper called

who are the disbelievers that was its

online and I went into great detail

about that generally I mean I inclined

towards the position of Imam of Azadi

who says that the majority of human

beings will have salvation in the end

yeah no he uses I mean he he bases it on

he doesn't base it just he didn't just

say that he based it on well I mean

there's scholars that yeah they're

scholars that limit greatly the mercy of

God and you know but there's a reason

why it's not permissible to do tagging

and that's all of our limit say that you

cannot say any individuals going to hell

because only god can judge people and

and I think the best position to be

concerned about where you're going and

not where other people are going you

know I mean Muslims tend to obsess about

where other people are going and and the

real problem is not where they're going

it's where I'm going or what you know

but generally generally the you know

Kufa is to reject truth once it's clear

to you and Imam Ghazali said that people

who have been given distorted versions

of Islam and reject the distortions do

not fall under the

category of caffeine because they're not

rejecting Islam they're rejecting a

distorted version of an Islam that says

you have to blow yourself up to get

close to God or something like that you

know I mean if I was a I thank God that

I became Muslim

you know 32 years ago because I don't

know how I would feel about Islam if I

was living in this type of environment

and being bombarded on a daily basis

with all this negativity and then seeing

insane Muslims because you have to

wonder like what's going on with those

people but really I mean just people

average people here just why are they so

angry do you know well you drop bombs on

people they tend to get angry that's

true but on the other hand if it's

really a spiritual teaching then why are

the bombs being dropped on you I mean

that's also a question because from week

I can say to people here you shouldn't

drop bombs on people but the people that

are getting dropped bombs dropped on

them have to ask themselves why is this

happening do you know what what is it

saying about our state

what have we you know what have we done

collectively because the problem you

know one of the things the Quran is very

clear about is that calamities when when

corruption spreads the response to

corruption is calamity it's very clear

so to roam Allah says that he causes you

to taste tribulation to Humble you and

to call you back to the truth but what

the Quran says is you know a tackle fits

a Nutella to see been melody Nevada

moment Omaha be fearful of calamities

that don't just afflict the guilty they

hit everybody so you can't say that

they're all bad or evil no when

corruption spreads it brings on

calamities that afflict everybody I mean

for instance there are

venereal diseases that are a direct

result of people practicing certain

sexual practices that have brought on

those diseases but then your blood gets

contaminated and the innocent child gets

the transfusion you say oh what did they

do to deserve that that's the whole

point that if only the guilty got

afflicted the innocent would never care

about changing anything because you know

they'll get what they deserve but once

you realize no it affects us all

then the impetus to actually call to

virtue and to you know to decry vice

becomes much stronger and that's part of

what people of God are supposed to be in

their witnesses so they're here to do

testing you know to witness the truth

and part of witnessing the truth is

condemning what's wrong yeah no I mean I

yeah well you know Jews and Christians

are Abrahamic people and they they both

believe in one God I mean even

Christians with the Trinity if you get

into real Christian theology it's very

confusing and most average Christians

don't really understand it but if you

get into like if you read Aquinas on the

Trinity it's very clear that they he

doesn't believe gods like three separate

beings or three separate parts I mean he

believes in infinite God

insubstantiality as part of the Catholic

and Orthodox belief about God that that

the God's not like anything right so you

know they're they're they're more i

deunan and the verses in the padang are

very clear the hadees' are clear that

that you know people of tawheed you know

there will be a point in which everybody

who says believe in one god is removed

from the fire the Prophet did however

inside Muslim is it's a hadith

the Prophet did say no Christian or

Muslim no Christian or Jew will hear

about me and died not believing in me

except that they'll enter the fire and

that hadith is understood obviously that

they know he's a prophet you know so if

you reject a prophet you're you're in a

dangerous situation because he's in the

line of prophets but and even the Hindus

and the Buddhists and all these other

people I mean most of them the Quran

says let it out early lay and dad and

one to Tana moon don't set up idols with

God once you know and that's called

joomla heylia in arabic the howl of the

people is that they know that they

shouldn't be doing that and that's why

even the people of shirk are not

condemned to hell fire if they weren't

given a message or made to be understand

that what they were doing was wrong

that's why the ad Asuna believed that

the Alpha Torah are saved

that's a domino peen there's a enough

opinion but I just feel like why do

people want it if there's a debate and

the autumn are saying that these people

are saved I mean one of my favorite

Hadees is about the the prophet Elijah

have said that two men a lot condemns

them to the fire and so they start

heading towards the fire but one of them

looks back its idea says yellow TV - so

Allah stops and says why do you look

back he said I thought you were going to

forgive me and and and and so Allah says

it'll Jannetty enter into my paradise

just because of his good opinion of God

like the other one just said I I knew

I'd never get forgiven you know so have

a good opinion of God you know I mean

I've met wonderful Christians that I

mean I'm sorry I have a hard time

believing God's just gonna zap

you know it's just if you read the

descriptions of the evil people in the

Quran they're puffed up they're arrogant

they don't feed the poor people read the

descriptions of the kuffar in the Quran

and they're not people of humility these

are people that reject the truth even

though they know it's the truth they're

people that won't listen they plug their

ears so you know I mean I'm not uh you

know I'm I believe in the peda and what

I was taught and I'm not in any way

giving some kind of California version

of Islam so I want to make that clear

you know but these things I mean this is

in the tradition and I that's what I

it's like even the Russia you know he

talked about whether or not the Quran if

you read the Quran for dead people does

it benefit the dead people or not

there's a he laughs there's a difference

of opinion even LaRoche it says this is

a difference of opinion about the mercy

of God

shouldn't we err on the side of mercy

like that it benefits them given that

there's a difference of you know it

doesn't benefit them you know I mean I'm

sorry I would prefer that opinion that

it benefits them you know and the proofs

are strong the proofs are strong so the

other people have their opinion but it's

very interesting about people that you

know it's like the man who urinated in

the Masjid and on that I never

understood this until I lived with

Bedouins I was once talking to a Bedouin

and he literally unbuttoned his saying

and turned around and urinated right in

front of me like veteran are like that

you know so I never understood that

hadith until that happened to me you

know I mean Bedouin does urinate

whenever they get the urge you know and

and it's desert and they just covered up

with sand or whatever but anyway that

you know the Bedouin urinated in the

Masjid of the Prophet Elisha them now

the somme wanted to kill this guy the

Prophet told Amanda just cover him you

know like put things so he was hidden

and when he finished you know the

problem went at me said look you know

this is a place of purity

you know don't urinate in the

and but the Sahaba were so angry and I

don't want to say you know that they

were anyway but they were angry and and

so this man you know when he saw how

they react and then he saw how the

Prophet slicin reacted he said alone

that how many what I have Mohammad

Ramallah tomcee wanna Allah forgive me

and forgive Muhammad and don't forgive

anybody else yeah and and the Prophet

SAW I said him said had dealt Eliza you

know you've you've narrowed the vast and

that's what these people do they just

narrow the vastness of God makalapa

Padre God can forgive anybody and the

Matuidi believe if lawful worried is not

does not diminish God in other words if

you fail to fulfill your promise that

diminishes you but if you fail to fulfil

your threat it actually enhances you and

that's the Matua the opinion that if God

threatens you to do something and if he

chooses not to fulfill his threat like

these threatens to send you to hell

and then he he doesn't do that that it

actually it enhances God's esteem it

doesn't diminish it unlike if he

promised you paradise for doing

something then you do it and then he

doesn't give you paradise that

diminishes just like I say we'll live

you come I'm gonna I'm gonna really

you'll see I'm going to take my

vengeance on you and then you come and I

say you know I thought about I forgive

you people say much a lot that you know

that's a high thing it's not a low thing

so a lot I mean there's a man who burned

him had his self burnt after he died

it's in the sahih hadith right does

everybody know that how do people know

that hadith he had himself burnt

cremated and he told his sons to spread

his ashes out right when he was the

Prophet said he was brought before God

and God said why did you do that and he

said because I didn't want you to

resurrect me because I was so afraid of

being judged by you that belief that he

could somehow scatter his ashes and God

couldn't bring him back together that's

couponer and that belief is covered

because you is a stage as Pavarotti let

it's it's it's considering that God's

not omnipotent that he's not

all-powerful you actually think that God

can't do something that's Kofa and yet

God forgave that man this is clearer in

the hadith God can forgive whomever he


I mean even if you look at the verse

that innallaha lion if you don't a new

Scirocco be you know I mean you just

look at the way the verse was was

revealed it doesn't say he won't forgive

the mushnick it says a new Chaka be he

doesn't forgive the act of shirk

somebody can pardon a murderer but he

doesn't forgive the murder

I really saw an interview with one of

the Imams of the harem saying that those

who condemned Aisha or Omar are

considered Kafar this is correct if they

say that Aisha you know that she was not

free of what God freed her from the

claim that she committed adultery

that's Kofun because that's not sort of


you know if they consider to her to a

betrayed the Prophet SAW lied to them by

opposing Ali or whatever that's fist

according to the Sunni scholars that

it's it's but it's not Kofa so it

depends on what they say and it's again

tat wheel most of these things are done

with tat wheel like they don't you know

the people that attack the Sahaba don't

attack them because their Sahaba it's

important to understand that they're not

saying we don't like them because their

Sahaba they're saying we don't like them

because they betrayed the Prophet do you

see that's their tat wheel we don't

accept the tet wheel but that's why it's

not Kufa do you understand the

distinction there because it's an

important distinction I feel

uncomfortable when people say we should

not pray behind us yeah because I feel

that we were saying their prayers not

accept another person you know I mean

we're not saying that their prayer is

not accepted at all but you know that's

that's what I learned in my teachers and

I can't you know I'm not I'm not going

to go against that you know the if I've

prayed behind here before and you know

the prayer the Shia prayer is the same

prayer that we pray I mean they have the

same number of records they recite the

fatiha they do everything that we do so

the prayer is not like some alien prayer

to Islam

a person on the path of Susu how can

they distinguish between demonic

experience and a good spiritual

experience well I mean like I said it's

a science the hell out there is a

science Neffs an arab animal akane

shaytani and there's different types of

thoughts there's different types of like

pub than bustle or experiences generally

true the spiritual experiences are often

you know there can be initial

contraction and then followed by an

expansion you know there's there's

different the prophet saw him when he

first had the revelation his initial

experience was contraction and then he

had this incredible expansion which is

you know even in Catholicism they called

the law of discernment they have that

understanding so and then there are

other experiences that but generally if

the experience leads to humility to

being humbled by it then it's a it's a

true experience if it leads to feeling

like that you're special or something

you know then it's it's a it's from nafs

or Shep on enough sani experiences are

very tricky they're the demonic

experiences are usually a lot clearer

but enough sani are very tricky demonic

is usually always followed by a sense of

pride wanting to tell other people about

it true spiritual experiences are best

kept to yourself unless you go to a

master but it's best kept to yourself

not to talk to it about other people

because of the problem of korea and and you know ostentation and spiritual pride / spiritual pride is very real and very difficult to excise from the nufs (SOul).

I think it's time for isha